Good Cop in a Bad State - Massachusetts

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    http://www.massnews.com/2003_Edition...trol_101.shtml

    Getting a Lesson in Gun Control 101

    By Izzy Lyman
    February 21, 2003 ( old but refreshing )

    "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." (italics added) - Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

    No doubt about it. The lecturer for the firearms law class sounds like a bombastic radio talk show host.

    "Same idiot judge in San Francisco ... he believes that an individual doesn't have the right to carry," exclaims Ed Fleury, Pelham's police chief, who is referring to Stephen Reinhardt, who sits on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

    Reinhardt is one of two judges of a three-member panel that ruled that the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional.

    Last December ( 2002 ) , the 9th Circus, as Rush Limbaugh calls it, unanimously upheld the state of California's ban on assault weapons by claiming that individuals do not have the right to bear arms. "The historical record makes it equally plain that the (Second) amendment was not adopted in order to afford rights to individuals with respect to private gun ownership or possession," wrote Reinhardt.

    "It's quite clear what the Second Amendment is meant for. You've got to be an idiot to not acknowledge that 'people' means people," ripostes Chief Fleury.

    The Chief's shoot-from-the-hip remarks are a sign that this basic firearms safety course won't be a dud. Good thing. Since the passage of the Massachusetts Gun Control Act of 1998, new applicants for a gun license are required to receive such instruction. Chief Fleury, along with his sidekick, Sgt. Kevin Fournier, teach 6 or 7 of classes a year, and attract about 30 people per class.

    There are criminal penalties for not safely storing firearms, and there's the establishment of a four-year time limit on FID (Firearms Identification) cards. Local police chiefs have great powers in deciding the suitability of a citizen to carry a gun. The law also prohibits the sale of junk guns, known as Saturday Night Specials.

    But "banning a certain type of gun," as the Chief observes, "doesn't make crime go away." In fact, as he also points out, where citizen ownership of guns has been severely curtailed, such as in England and Australia, violent crime has skyrocketed.

    In Massachusetts, in order to obtain an LTC (License to Carry), the applicant must be fingerprinted and pay a fee. To obtain a large capacity weapon (those guns which can hold more than ten rounds of ammo), he must have a Class A LTC. Then, there's the ineffectual and nonsensical regulations of guns with 'ugly features' (those with flash suppressors, bayonets, collapsible stocks, etc.)

    After listening to section after section of the law explained, I have an unoriginal thought: Felons are already banned from possession of all firearms, so any new restrictions only result in disarming the good guys, correct? Ed Fleury doesn't disagree. "The average person who wants to defend himself is penalized because of these little brats that misbehave. Because they are frustrated with their socio-economic status, they act out, and we suffer for it."

    Sgt. Fournier vocalizes the irony, "People who obey the law will follow every law that's put down, whether they agree with it or not."

    Criminologist Gary Kleck has found that there are over two million defensive gun uses (DGU's) per year in the United States, whereby a legally-armed individual (often a female) saves lives by stopping a violent crime. But to Bay State lawmakers, apparently, trying to prevent a very small number of gun accidents is worth more than allowing a semi-full of violent crimes. The National Safety Council reports that accidents resulting in child mortality occur in association with firearms at a lower rate than those caused by swimming pools and bicycles. But, so far, the feminists at the Boston Globe aren't mounting a national anti-swimming pool movement or organizing a ban-the-bikes crusade.

    As basic as freedom of speech and religion is the American right to bear arms. Yet the state where the "shot heard round the world" occurred has what some describe as the "toughest" gun control laws in the country. After attending Chief Fleury's seminar, I think that is no exaggeration. Perhaps the new Republican governor - Mitt Romney - won't cave to the demands of to the zealots who comprise the gun control lobby. That is, if Massachusetts citizens use their First Amendment right to complain that their Second Amendment right is being trampled. Meantime, where's Daniel Shays when you need him?


    * Chief Ed Fluery, Pelham PD, is still the chief ( 2007 ) , he also teaches CCW permit classes

    In MA theres 2 types of Handgun License
    Class A = FULL CARRY / Large Cap Mags. Concealed **
    Class B = Cannot carry outside home concealed, when carrying outside home you must be UNLOADED, and magazine must be seperated from firearm, and firearm must have a lock or be in a locked contained.
    Also not allowed to purchase Large Cap. Mag. ( over 10 )

    Massachusetts is a very restrictive MAY ISSUE state

    a chief can issue a Class A with restrictions, such as only allowed for Target and Hunting , or Work Only

    ** Dont even try to get a Class A Unrestricted license for personal protection if you live in Boston, Cambridge, Quincy or Somerville

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    Now that's a good read!!!
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    Whats good about that ?

    That the people of Massachussetts dont have the same rights as the people in Texas, Arkansas or most other states living under the same national flag is not only sickening, but downright wrong and UnConstitutional.

    what a bunch of crock...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Whats good about that ?
    But "banning a certain type of gun," as the Chief observes, "doesn't make crime go away." In fact, as he also points out, where citizen ownership of guns has been severely curtailed, such as in England and Australia, violent crime has skyrocketed.
    How about that for starters! The chief tells it like it is! Did you not read whole thing?
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    So they have one police cheif that may have a bit of a clue that will still follow the law to the letter and enforce all of hoop jumping that one has to endure.

    Nothing to get exited about there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post

    That the people of Massachussetts dont have the same rights as the people in Texas, Arkansas or most other states living under the same national flag is not only sickening, but downright wrong and UnConstitutional.

    what a bunch of crock...
    I agree but let me make one point here... its not unconstitutional unless it happens to be that MA has a state constitution that prohibits restrictions on the individual right to keep and bear arms...

    The constitution you probably are referring to is a restriction on the Federal government putting restrictions on the right to keep and bear Arms. And in this case they do not. The state of MA does this, if it is not protected in its constitution.

    So, the Feds (the Constitution of the United States) are not restricting it. The State is. It, of course, is still a violation of the basic bill of rights in which the right to keep and bear arms is the right of any man/woman that stands even without documents and declarations and constitutions to declare it.

    As I have to point out, leave those states that deny you the basic rights of birth.

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    give props where props are due

    how often do we see this ?

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