How come we don't have a NATIONAL CCW PERMIT???

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    A big final "NO" a National CCW permit.

    Let the States work it out on their level for honoring each other's permit.

    Best to the follow the 2A, then no need for any stinking pieces of paper call a permit, just carry whatever (Arms - Guns (Handgun, Rifle, and/or Shotgun), Knives (folding, fixed including Big Bowie Knives) , Tomahawk, etc), whenever ( 24 /7 ), and where-ever (no gun free zones of any kind)

    The is "no" way I would ever want to see National CCW.

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    Don't need no 'stinkin national permit'...keep it just like a driver's license...make it law!

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    Agree, No Federal CCW. We've been doing quite well by getting states to recognize each other's CCW even if it is slow at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy View Post
    Agree, No Federal CCW. We've been doing quite well by getting states to recognize each other's CCW even if it is slow at times.
    You only say that because you are in Florida. Some of us, alas, are in Maryland. (At least your state was nice enough to give me one of their licenses!)

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    You only say that because you are in Florida. Some of us, alas, are in Maryland. (At least your state was nice enough to give me one of their licenses
    Thats a great point.

    And why we're at it...NO...

    I do not want some communist sumbich from Maryland,or Massachussetts, or New Yawk or Rhode Island or New Joisy or D.C. or Calipornia or any other states that have a phobia about guns walking around and killing people telling me here in Arkansas that I have to abide by rules that they help set up. Thingss that they think are normal...like one gun a month...or technology that is years away like bullet stamps, or needing to possess a Firearm Owners ID or gun registration or limits on calibers or making it mandantory to give up a shell casing for every gun or any other things that are stupid and a burden on gun owners.

    How long do you think it would take the taxmongers in Congress to start taxing it into oblivion? A week? 10 Days ?

    No Sir.

    I like it the way it is. When the good people in the "communist "states wake up and start voting the bums out....then perhaps they can enjoy the freedoms that the rest of us enjoy.
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    I don't want any form of national ID, nor do I want forced standards of state issued IDs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne Sniper View Post
    So how come none of our congressmen or senators haven't thought of making this legal on a national level?
    Several have and are pushing for it, but the modern Washington, DC, legislative mood doesn't tolarate sanity well.

    Why not make it legal all over our nation?
    Fear of the finickey federal finger up the wazoo, and state's rights.

    The right and proper solution is: no permission required, nationwide. The sky won't fall, citizens won't magically combust, and innocent blood won't run in the streets. The reality is, of course, that criminals that don't care a whit about comitting violent felonies including murder don't miss an opportunity to scoff at signs and policies that dictate carrying a firearm is bad. The only practical result of such ludicrous policies is the disarmament of the innocent. Always has been. Always will be.

    IMO, the push should be for across the board abolishment of all permitting requirements, nationwide, forced at the federal level and thereby disallowed at any level. Yes, it's a state's rights question, sure. But the greater good can have no better answer than complete abolishment of these ill-founded, unconstitutional and morally empty permitting policies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tns0038 View Post
    Or even a better idea would be for states to be required to accept each others CCL just like they do drivers licenses.

    I’m just not one to want “big brother” more involved than he already is.
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    +1 on that again. There are rarley issues with DL between states....apply the same for CCW's.

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    I agree that all states should honer another states CHP. maybe if they got together and utalized a single training program thats acceptable to all states. Some training you go in and set your watch alarm for 6 hours, go to sleep, wake up and pick up yor certificate. i would not mind having to take a bit more stringent testing if all the states would agree that it is sufficiant to all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by User Name View Post
    I agree that all states should honer another states CHP. maybe if they got together and utalized a single training program thats acceptable to all states. Some training you go in and set your watch alarm for 6 hours, go to sleep, wake up and pick up yor certificate. i would not mind having to take a bit more stringent testing if all the states would agree that it is sufficiant to all.

    I agree states should honor each other's permits.

    But I disagree with the training aspect. I don't need the government (state or federal) giving me "training" on the subject. Besides that, the great Commonwealth of PA has no training requirement and I'd like to keep it that way.
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    Where I am at in Illinois, everything involves training of some sort. The Peoples' Republic of Illinois will not let you drive a car, work a job or do anything without SOME form of training. I you want to be a fireman, policeman or paramedic then get the training. Same thing for doctors, teachers, welders, garbage men, security personnel and so on. When you go to work for most companies here, they have to give you orientation training. This state even mandates that cartain posters be in place on the wall of where you work over and above those annoying federal posters.

    There are two states left that don't allow CCW: Illinois and Wisconsin. For some of us, we could only hope that a federal CCW permit would be enacted so that it would force our socialist state to adopt CCW. While some of you are against a national CCW because of complications or government control factors for it, there really isn't hope here in this area for honest people as long as Chitcago, King Richard Daley II and Crook County illegally dictate against the idea of CCW.

    Chicago and Dictator Daley cause more problems for the rest of Illinois with their stupidity and corruption than can ever be imagined by people from outside of the state. Millions upon millions of dollars just get thrown away every week to feed the Chicago corruption system and the federal government does NOTHING about it. So, in your hurry to not accept the idea of a national CCW keep in mind that your idea of state reciprocity will NOT be acceptable in Illinois or Wisconsin which means that there will be two places in which you and others will not be allowed to defend yourselves as you travel through our land.

    What we need is a set of national standards to put an end to the idea of no self defense and/or the Second Amendment being limited on a local basis. ANY PLACE in our country that limits anybody's rights will also limit yours sooner or later. That's exactly why I brought this topic up for discussion.
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    The argument to that, Airborne Sniper, is that you are free to leave IL any time you like...And I don't say that to be snide, it's just a fact. If we put some kind of federal system in place, there will be no escape from it if it stinks on ice...
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    Has anyone thought about it this way?

    2A hasn't been stated to be incorporated as per the other "individual" rights under the 14A. Maybe that is why there is no Nat. CCW lic. Could it be that there could/would be a Nat. Standard if/when 2a ever gets incorporated? Until then it still falls with the seperate states to "reasonably restrict" whoever they see fit?

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    Hey, I've got a wild idea.

    How about this for a national CCW permit:

    "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."?

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