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How come we don't have a NATIONAL CCW PERMIT???

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#1 ·
Obviously our nation is in need of allowing HONEST and trained people to be allowed to carry concealed firearms EVERYWHERE in the USA to include airport terminals, on airplanes and so on. To be allowed to do this we would need a NATIONAL PERMIT for CCW. So how come none of our congressmen or senators haven't thought of making this legal on a national level? Out of 50 states 48 of them have SOME sort of legal CCW. Why not make it legal all over our nation? :rant:
 
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#3 ·
Or even a better idea would be for states to be required to accept each others CCL just like they do drivers licenses.
Agreed. ^^

A national permit is for the lose.

- Janq
 
#4 ·
I would gladly support one, but I see one critical problem with it... What about the states like Ohio and areas like Chicago that think that guns walk around and shoot people on their own? These areas (plus areas like Washington D.C.) are the ones that would truely hang up the entire system.

Maybe once the Supreme Court finally tell us that we are indeed entitled to our own protection, maybe we could see something like that come into place. Until then, I think that select few "mentally challenged" groups out there will continue to have enough opposition to a national CCW that I probably won't get passed.
 
#7 ·
Thank goodness the feds have not been let loose on the CCW permit issue yet. I can imagine the 'permit department' and how they will force THEIR training requirements, fingerprinting, etc on everyone - including states like Vermont and Alaska.
State level decisions are much better.

Exactly. Can you imagine what CCW permits issued and controlled by the Feds would be like in terms of regulations and red tape.
 
#6 ·
We just need to enforce the Full Faith and Credit Clause in the USCON.

It took 10yrs to pass the LEOSA (Nationwide carry for cops). It will take 10x that for a national CCW permit.
 
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#9 ·
The feds need to stay out of it. None of their dang business.
I do think however that any state should be forced to honor another states CCW permit, no questions asked.
I think we could get away with it under the Full Faith and Credit Clause, US Constitution Article 4, Section 1
 
#11 ·
There was a thread a week or two ago (which I just searched for but can't find) discussing current bills in the House and Senate called something like the "National CCW Reciprocity Act". The idea is that a CCW license in any state would be good everywhere.

Sounds like a good idea on the face of it, to me. The bills, though, basically include their own self-defeating loopholes. The idea was that if a state does not issue its own CCW permits, then anybody with a license can carry there, with a handful of places (federal buildings, schools, churches, courthouses, police stations) off limits. If the state does issue permits, then that state's restrictions apply.

I could easily see an 'anti' state creating 'may issue' permits that never get issued and basically have so many carry exceptions as to make them useless. Then the person with the out-of-state license comes in, and must obey the local restrictions (say, no retail, no government building, and no public spaces). Or some sort of two-level system, similar to what Massachussets does now, where than can give out "Class A" carry licenses to the local favorites (*cough* Feinstein! *cough*) but restrict out-of-state licenses to some sort of crippled "Class B" license with such onerous no-carry restrictions.

In general, though, I like the idea of a national reciprocity along the driver's license model.
 
#12 ·
The thing is...if the give the Feds a way to "license" anyone that wants to carry a gun for protection...we are in effect giving them the right to do so.

The way I see it...once you give the Federal Governement anything...its gone forever.

Lets kep it on the state level and keep Uncle Sam's paws off it. The states are getting better as far as reciprocity goes. It will only continue to get better at the rate things are going. As for the anti states....until the people there get smart enough overall to fire the policiticans that are keeping them from defending themselves...it wont happen. I have little hope for some of them.
 
#13 ·
Is this it ?

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-388

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-388

Bill Status
Introduced: Jan 25, 2007
Sponsor: Sen. John Thune [R-SD]
Status: Introduced

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Text of Legislation

S 388 IS

110th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. 388

To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a national standard in accordance with which nonresidents of a State may carry concealed firearms in the State.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

January 25, 2007

Mr. THUNE (for himself, Mr. NELSON of Nebraska, Mr. SUNUNU, Mr. INHOFE, Mr. COBURN, Mr. BURR, Mr. MARTINEZ, Mr. CRAPO, Mr. BAUCUS, Mr. CORNYN, Mrs. DOLE, Mr. CRAIG, and Mr. LOTT) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

A BILL

To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a national standard in accordance with which nonresidents of a State may carry concealed firearms in the State.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. NATIONAL STANDARD FOR THE CARRYING OF CERTAIN CONCEALED FIREARMS BY NONRESIDENTS.

(a) In General- Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 926C the following:

`Sec. 926D. National standard for the carrying of certain concealed firearms by nonresidents

`(a) In General- Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm and is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued by a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm (other than a machinegun or destructive device) may carry in any State a concealed firearm (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, subject to subsection (b).

`(b) Limitations-

`(1) IN GENERAL- If a State other than the State that issued the license or permit described in subsection (a) issues licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms, a person may carry a concealed firearm in that State under the same restrictions which apply to the carrying of a concealed firearm by a person to whom that State has issued such a license or permit.

`(2) OTHER LIMITATIONS- If a State other than the State that issued the license or permit described in subsection (a) does not issue licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms, a person may not, in that State, carry a concealed firearm in a police station, in a public detention facility, in a courthouse, in a public polling place, at a meeting of a State, county, or municipal governing body, in a school, at a professional or school athletic event not related to firearms, in a portion of an establishment licensed by that State to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, or inside the sterile or passenger area of an airport, except to the extent expressly permitted by the law of that State.'.

(b) Clerical Amendment- The table of sections at the beginning of chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 926C the following:

`926D. National standard for the carrying of certain concealed firearms by nonresidents.'.


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#16 ·
A big final "NO" a National CCW permit.

Let the States work it out on their level for honoring each other's permit.

Best to the follow the 2A, then no need for any stinking pieces of paper call a permit, just carry whatever (Arms - Guns (Handgun, Rifle, and/or Shotgun), Knives (folding, fixed including Big Bowie Knives) , Tomahawk, etc), whenever ( 24 /7 ), and where-ever (no gun free zones of any kind)

The is "no" way I would ever want to see National CCW.
 
#17 ·
Don't need no 'stinkin national permit'...keep it just like a driver's license...make it law!

Stay armed...in all 50 states...stay safe!
 
#18 ·
Agree, No Federal CCW. We've been doing quite well by getting states to recognize each other's CCW even if it is slow at times.

PS: Retsup... time to change your avatar... it really creeps the heck out of me :rofl:
 
#19 ·
Agree, No Federal CCW. We've been doing quite well by getting states to recognize each other's CCW even if it is slow at times.
You only say that because you are in Florida. Some of us, alas, are in Maryland. :frown: (At least your state was nice enough to give me one of their licenses!)
 
#20 · (Edited)
You only say that because you are in Florida. Some of us, alas, are in Maryland. (At least your state was nice enough to give me one of their licenses
Thats a great point.

And why we're at it...NO...

I do not want some communist sumbich from Maryland,or Massachussetts, or New Yawk or Rhode Island or New Joisy or D.C. or Calipornia or any other states that have a phobia about guns walking around and killing people telling me here in Arkansas that I have to abide by rules that they help set up. Thingss that they think are normal...like one gun a month...or technology that is years away like bullet stamps, or needing to possess a Firearm Owners ID or gun registration or limits on calibers or making it mandantory to give up a shell casing for every gun or any other things that are stupid and a burden on gun owners.

How long do you think it would take the taxmongers in Congress to start taxing it into oblivion? A week? 10 Days ?

No Sir.

I like it the way it is. When the good people in the "communist "states wake up and start voting the bums out....then perhaps they can enjoy the freedoms that the rest of us enjoy.
 
#22 ·
So how come none of our congressmen or senators haven't thought of making this legal on a national level?
Several have and are pushing for it, but the modern Washington, DC, legislative mood doesn't tolarate sanity well.

Why not make it legal all over our nation?
Fear of the finickey federal finger up the wazoo, and state's rights.

The right and proper solution is: no permission required, nationwide. The sky won't fall, citizens won't magically combust, and innocent blood won't run in the streets. The reality is, of course, that criminals that don't care a whit about comitting violent felonies including murder don't miss an opportunity to scoff at signs and policies that dictate carrying a firearm is bad. The only practical result of such ludicrous policies is the disarmament of the innocent. Always has been. Always will be.

IMO, the push should be for across the board abolishment of all permitting requirements, nationwide, forced at the federal level and thereby disallowed at any level. Yes, it's a state's rights question, sure. But the greater good can have no better answer than complete abolishment of these ill-founded, unconstitutional and morally empty permitting policies.
 
#25 ·
I agree that all states should honer another states CHP. maybe if they got together and utalized a single training program thats acceptable to all states. Some training you go in and set your watch alarm for 6 hours, go to sleep, wake up and pick up yor certificate. i would not mind having to take a bit more stringent testing if all the states would agree that it is sufficiant to all.
 
#26 ·
I agree states should honor each other's permits.

But I disagree with the training aspect. I don't need the government (state or federal) giving me "training" on the subject. Besides that, the great Commonwealth of PA has no training requirement and I'd like to keep it that way.
 
#27 ·
Where I am at in Illinois, everything involves training of some sort. The Peoples' Republic of Illinois will not let you drive a car, work a job or do anything without SOME form of training. I you want to be a fireman, policeman or paramedic then get the training. Same thing for doctors, teachers, welders, garbage men, security personnel and so on. When you go to work for most companies here, they have to give you orientation training. This state even mandates that cartain posters be in place on the wall of where you work over and above those annoying federal posters.

There are two states left that don't allow CCW: Illinois and Wisconsin. For some of us, we could only hope that a federal CCW permit would be enacted so that it would force our socialist state to adopt CCW. While some of you are against a national CCW because of complications or government control factors for it, there really isn't hope here in this area for honest people as long as Chitcago, King Richard :king: Daley II and Crook County illegally dictate against the idea of CCW.

Chicago and Dictator Daley cause more problems for the rest of Illinois with their stupidity and corruption than can ever be imagined by people from outside of the state. Millions upon millions of dollars just get thrown away every week to feed the Chicago corruption system and the federal government does NOTHING about it. So, in your hurry to not accept the idea of a national CCW keep in mind that your idea of state reciprocity will NOT be acceptable in Illinois or Wisconsin which means that there will be two places in which you and others will not be allowed to defend yourselves as you travel through our land.

What we need is a set of national standards to put an end to the idea of no self defense and/or the Second Amendment being limited on a local basis. ANY PLACE in our country that limits anybody's rights will also limit yours :spankme: sooner or later. That's exactly why I brought this topic up for discussion. :rant:
 
#28 ·
The argument to that, Airborne Sniper, is that you are free to leave IL any time you like...And I don't say that to be snide, it's just a fact. If we put some kind of federal system in place, there will be no escape from it if it stinks on ice...
 
#42 ·
Agreed. I think it's up to the good citizens of Illinois to change their system to fall in line with the rest of the nation. Notice that even Wisconsin recently passed a ccw bill leaving Illinois all alone. Illinois gun owners remind me of folks in other countries living under tyranny who remain quiet and hope for rescue from the world's police (that'd be the USA, folks) to ride to their rescue and spill our blood for their freedom. I think there is a viable option for firearm and ammo manufacturers to not sell their goods inside that states borders (including to police agencies) until their reign of oppression ceases. Commerce and economics are always useful tools in the cause of freedom.
 
#29 ·
Has anyone thought about it this way?

2A hasn't been stated to be incorporated as per the other "individual" rights under the 14A. Maybe that is why there is no Nat. CCW lic. Could it be that there could/would be a Nat. Standard if/when 2a ever gets incorporated? Until then it still falls with the seperate states to "reasonably restrict" whoever they see fit?

Just my thought
MikeV
 
#33 ·
A national reciprocity bill was introduced in U.S. Congress this year by Rep.Cliff Stearns of FL. He has introduced it every year since 1995. The House version HB861 had 80 cosponsors but never made it out of the Dem controlled committee.

The bill would allow any person with a valid concealed firearm carrying permit or license, issued by a state, to carry a concealed firearm in any state, as follows: In states that issue concealed firearm permits, a state’s laws governing where concealed firearms may be carried would apply within its borders. In states that do not issue carry permits, a federal "bright-line" standard would permit carrying in places other than police stations; courthouses; public polling places; meetings of state, county, or municipal governing bodies; schools; passenger areas of airports; and certain other locations.

No chance with the current Congress.
 
#34 ·
I didn't read the entire thread so forgive me if someone has said this already but the one thing to keep in mind, and I say this every time someone brings the "National CCW permit" topic up, What the Federal Government issues, the Federal Government can revoke...for any or no reason.

If the Fed grants you a permit for you to EXERCISE A RIGHT that opens all kinds of doors we do not want opened. And, what they give, they WILL take away.

A much better solution is for there to be a law that forces all states to honor all other states permits just as drivers licenses from any state is honored by all other states.

I do not want the Federal Government controlling anything that is a right of mine.
 
#35 ·
National CP

"I do not want the Federal Government controlling anything that is a right of mine." Amen to that.

Has anybody received a straight answer when calling the IRS or SS office!! Wait for national Hillary healthcare.
 
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