How come we don't have a NATIONAL CCW PERMIT???

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    How come we don't have a NATIONAL CCW PERMIT???

    Obviously our nation is in need of allowing HONEST and trained people to be allowed to carry concealed firearms EVERYWHERE in the USA to include airport terminals, on airplanes and so on. To be allowed to do this we would need a NATIONAL PERMIT for CCW. So how come none of our congressmen or senators haven't thought of making this legal on a national level? Out of 50 states 48 of them have SOME sort of legal CCW. Why not make it legal all over our nation?
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    Or even a better idea would be for states to be required to accept each others CCL just like they do drivers licenses.

    I’m just not one to want “big brother” more involved than he already is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tns0038 View Post
    Or even a better idea would be for states to be required to accept each others CCL just like they do drivers licenses.
    Agreed. ^^

    A national permit is for the lose.

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    I would gladly support one, but I see one critical problem with it... What about the states like Ohio and areas like Chicago that think that guns walk around and shoot people on their own? These areas (plus areas like Washington D.C.) are the ones that would truely hang up the entire system.

    Maybe once the Supreme Court finally tell us that we are indeed entitled to our own protection, maybe we could see something like that come into place. Until then, I think that select few "mentally challenged" groups out there will continue to have enough opposition to a national CCW that I probably won't get passed.
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    Thank goodness the feds have not been let loose on the CCW permit issue yet. I can imagine the 'permit department' and how they will force THEIR training requirements, fingerprinting, etc on everyone - including states like Vermont and Alaska.

    State level decisions are much better.

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    We just need to enforce the Full Faith and Credit Clause in the USCON.

    It took 10yrs to pass the LEOSA (Nationwide carry for cops). It will take 10x that for a national CCW permit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joffe View Post
    Thank goodness the feds have not been let loose on the CCW permit issue yet. I can imagine the 'permit department' and how they will force THEIR training requirements, fingerprinting, etc on everyone - including states like Vermont and Alaska.
    State level decisions are much better.

    Exactly. Can you imagine what CCW permits issued and controlled by the Feds would be like in terms of regulations and red tape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Agreed. ^^

    A national permit is for the lose.

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    Exactly, the less that the Federal government can screw up, the better for everyone in this country.
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    The feds need to stay out of it. None of their dang business.
    I do think however that any state should be forced to honor another states CCW permit, no questions asked.
    I think we could get away with it under the Full Faith and Credit Clause, US Constitution Article 4, Section 1
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    Quote Originally Posted by wmhawth View Post
    Exactly. Can you imagine what CCW permits issued and controlled by the Feds would be like in terms of regulations and red tape.
    Yes, I can imagine.

    Fro example just ask anyone who has an aviators license which is over seen and administered by the FAA.
    It ain't easy, straight forward, nor without much in the way of testing, time, and associated expense. And that's just to fly a glider, hot air balloon, or sporting non-commercial personal aircraft.
    Now imagine same being the case toward citizen Ma and Pa Mallgoer being in line to get 'licensed' to posses a firearm muchless carry as much on their person outside of their home.
    As difficult as it is for many now across the US, it would only become even more difficult and thus restrictive if there were a nationalized federal issue license.

    BTW getting a passport today is a major PITA with much in the way of delays going backward for months.
    It would be same similar toward a national CCW inclusive of individual person life history review prior to approval or denial.

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    There was a thread a week or two ago (which I just searched for but can't find) discussing current bills in the House and Senate called something like the "National CCW Reciprocity Act". The idea is that a CCW license in any state would be good everywhere.

    Sounds like a good idea on the face of it, to me. The bills, though, basically include their own self-defeating loopholes. The idea was that if a state does not issue its own CCW permits, then anybody with a license can carry there, with a handful of places (federal buildings, schools, churches, courthouses, police stations) off limits. If the state does issue permits, then that state's restrictions apply.

    I could easily see an 'anti' state creating 'may issue' permits that never get issued and basically have so many carry exceptions as to make them useless. Then the person with the out-of-state license comes in, and must obey the local restrictions (say, no retail, no government building, and no public spaces). Or some sort of two-level system, similar to what Massachussets does now, where than can give out "Class A" carry licenses to the local favorites (*cough* Feinstein! *cough*) but restrict out-of-state licenses to some sort of crippled "Class B" license with such onerous no-carry restrictions.

    In general, though, I like the idea of a national reciprocity along the driver's license model.

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    The thing is...if the give the Feds a way to "license" anyone that wants to carry a gun for protection...we are in effect giving them the right to do so.

    The way I see it...once you give the Federal Governement anything...its gone forever.

    Lets kep it on the state level and keep Uncle Sam's paws off it. The states are getting better as far as reciprocity goes. It will only continue to get better at the rate things are going. As for the anti states....until the people there get smart enough overall to fire the policiticans that are keeping them from defending themselves...it wont happen. I have little hope for some of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne Sniper View Post
    Obviously our nation is in need of allowing HONEST and trained people to be allowed to carry concealed firearms EVERYWHERE in the USA to include airport terminals, on airplanes and so on. To be allowed to do this we would need a NATIONAL PERMIT for CCW. So how come none of our congressmen or senators haven't thought of making this legal on a national level? Out of 50 states 48 of them have SOME sort of legal CCW. Why not make it legal all over our nation?
    Is this it ?

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-388

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...?bill=s110-388

    Bill Status
    Introduced: Jan 25, 2007
    Sponsor: Sen. John Thune [R-SD]
    Status: Introduced

    You are viewing the following version of this bill:

    Introduced in Senate: This is the original text of the bill as it was written by its sponsor and submitted to the House for consideration.
    Text of Legislation

    S 388 IS

    110th CONGRESS

    1st Session

    S. 388

    To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a national standard in accordance with which nonresidents of a State may carry concealed firearms in the State.

    IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

    January 25, 2007

    Mr. THUNE (for himself, Mr. NELSON of Nebraska, Mr. SUNUNU, Mr. INHOFE, Mr. COBURN, Mr. BURR, Mr. MARTINEZ, Mr. CRAPO, Mr. BAUCUS, Mr. CORNYN, Mrs. DOLE, Mr. CRAIG, and Mr. LOTT) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

    A BILL

    To amend title 18, United States Code, to provide a national standard in accordance with which nonresidents of a State may carry concealed firearms in the State.

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

    SECTION 1. NATIONAL STANDARD FOR THE CARRYING OF CERTAIN CONCEALED FIREARMS BY NONRESIDENTS.

    (a) In General- Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after section 926C the following:

    `Sec. 926D. National standard for the carrying of certain concealed firearms by nonresidents

    `(a) In General- Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm and is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued by a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm (other than a machinegun or destructive device) may carry in any State a concealed firearm (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, subject to subsection (b).

    `(b) Limitations-

    `(1) IN GENERAL- If a State other than the State that issued the license or permit described in subsection (a) issues licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms, a person may carry a concealed firearm in that State under the same restrictions which apply to the carrying of a concealed firearm by a person to whom that State has issued such a license or permit.

    `(2) OTHER LIMITATIONS- If a State other than the State that issued the license or permit described in subsection (a) does not issue licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms, a person may not, in that State, carry a concealed firearm in a police station, in a public detention facility, in a courthouse, in a public polling place, at a meeting of a State, county, or municipal governing body, in a school, at a professional or school athletic event not related to firearms, in a portion of an establishment licensed by that State to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, or inside the sterile or passenger area of an airport, except to the extent expressly permitted by the law of that State.'.

    (b) Clerical Amendment- The table of sections at the beginning of chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after the item relating to section 926C the following:

    `926D. National standard for the carrying of certain concealed firearms by nonresidents.'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubby45 View Post
    We just need to enforce the Full Faith and Credit Clause in the USCON.



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    Do you really want Hillary and the idiots in Congress to get their hands on the ability to regulate a National CHL?

    I don't.
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