Romney busted , AGAIN

Romney busted , AGAIN

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    Post Romney busted , AGAIN

    Full story.

    Poll to vote : http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1318

    Romney Claims NRA Endorsement He Didn't Receive

    December 16th, 2007
    Maybe it was the pressure of the moment. Being under the Tim Russert spotlight can get to anyone. Under Russert's grilling about guns on this morning's "Meet the Press," former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney claimed an endorsement he'd never won.
    In answer to questions about whether he would sign an assault weapons ban, Romney said: "Just as the president said, he would have, he would have signed that bill if it came to his desk, and so would have I. And, and, and yet I also was pleased to have the support of the NRA when I ran for governor. I sought it, I seek it now. I'd love to have their support."
    Later in the interview, he added the following:
    "I just talked about, about guns. I told you what my position was, and what I, what I did as governor; the fact that I received the endorsement of the NRA."
    The problem?
    He was never endorsed by the NRA, and didn't have their official support during his 2002 gubernatorial campaign. The NRA declined to endorse in that race, as was acknowledged by Romney's spokesman this morning.

    continued.....

    The issue of guns has repeatedly dogged Romney, who as a U.S. Senate candidate in 1996 was in favor of several gun control measures. Earlier this year, Romney was mocked for saying that he was a "small varmint" hunter.

    -- Michael D. Shear


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    Quote Originally Posted by ibez View Post
    Full story.

    Poll to vote : http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1318

    Romney Claims NRA Endorsement He Didn't Receive

    December 16th, 2007
    Maybe it was the pressure of the moment. Being under the Tim Russert spotlight can get to anyone. Under Russert's grilling about guns on this morning's "Meet the Press," former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney claimed an endorsement he'd never won.
    In answer to questions about whether he would sign an assault weapons ban, Romney said: "Just as the president said, he would have, he would have signed that bill if it came to his desk, and so would have I. And, and, and yet I also was pleased to have the support of the NRA when I ran for governor. I sought it, I seek it now. I'd love to have their support."
    Later in the interview, he added the following:
    "I just talked about, about guns. I told you what my position was, and what I, what I did as governor; the fact that I received the endorsement of the NRA."
    The problem?
    He was never endorsed by the NRA, and didn't have their official support during his 2002 gubernatorial campaign. The NRA declined to endorse in that race, as was acknowledged by Romney's spokesman this morning.

    continued.....

    The issue of guns has repeatedly dogged Romney, who as a U.S. Senate candidate in 1996 was in favor of several gun control measures. Earlier this year, Romney was mocked for saying that he was a "small varmint" hunter.

    -- Michael D. Shear
    We don't need a president from Massachusetts, New York, California New Jersey, Maryland or Illinois if we want to keep our gun rights. (I'm sure I left some states out, but that was the worst I could think of off hand)

    Look at the laws they tolerate in their states and tell me if you would like to see that tolerated nationally. Becuase that's what we'll be looking at if these closet anti's are elected with their "common sense gun control" attitudes.
    When you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts & minds will follow. Semper Fi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtD View Post
    We don't need a president from Massachusetts, New York, California New Jersey, Maryland or Illinois if we want to keep our gun rights. (I'm sure I left some states out, but that was the worst I could think of off hand)

    Look at the laws they tolerate in their states and tell me if you would like to see that tolerated nationally. Becuase that's what we'll be looking at if these closet anti's are elected with their "common sense gun control" attitudes.
    How about ANY rights! Either one of those snakes is slowly but surely going to help "push" us in the right ...er uh left direction towards more socialism, communism, or any combination thereof and less freedom.
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    So with that in mind which horse are you promoting?

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    I saw this re Romney today - and I think word is getting around fast ... but re the "which horse"? question ... please no in depth political stuff here.

    I saw this report today ....... included purely for the 2A aspect.

    Romney still supports background checks and assault weapons ban

    12/17/2007 - This Sunday on Meet The Press (MTP), Governor Mitt Romney restated his support for the Brady Registration Act and a renewal of the assault weapons ban.

    MTP host Tim Russert -- certainly no friend of gun owners -- pressed Romney on his flip-flopping on the issue of gun rights, questioning Romney's election year pandering to gun owners and his consistent record of supporting and signing gun control measures in Massachusetts.

    Romney's reply was typical of a politician trying to avoid a difficult record. Romney tried the same old stick, claiming support to the Second Amendment and the rights of gun owners and hunters. However, you and I both know that actions speak louder than words.

    As Massachusetts' governor, Romney signed an assault weapons ban, supported the Brady Registration Act, 5 day waiting periods and firearm registration cards.

    Romney claimed to Russert that he was opposed to waiting periods. However, in 2002 Romney was a supporter of waiting periods to purchase firearms. Romney continued in the interview to restate his support for the Brady Registration Act and a ban on all so-called "assault weapons."

    GOV. ROMNEY: I supported the assault weapon ban... I would have supported the original assault weapon ban. I signed an assault weapon ban as Massachusetts governor because it provided for a relaxation of licensing requirements for gun owners in Massachusetts, which was a big plus... And if there is determined to be, from time to time, a weapon of such lethality that it poses a grave risk to our law enforcement personnel, that's something I would consider signing. There's nothing of that nature that's being proposed today in Washington. But, but I would, I would look at weapons that pose extraordinary lethality...

    Romney went on to directly state that he would renew the 1994 Feinstein "Assault Weapons" Ban.

    GOV. ROMNEY: Just as the president said, he would have, he would have signed that bill [the assault weapons ban] if it came to his desk, and so would have I.

    Romney continued his anti-gun rant, to say that he supports limited access to firearms.

    GOV. ROMNEY: Well, we have, we have a background check. That's the key thing. I support background checks to, to--for people who are going into a store or whatever and buying a weapon, I want them to have a background check to make sure...But my position is we should check on the backgrounds of people who are trying to purchase guns. We also should keep weapons of unusual lethality from being on the street.



    The bottom line is quite simple: Governor Romney wants voters in Iowa, New Hampshire and across the country to believe that he supports our right to keep and bear arms. The truth is that Romney supports significant increases in gun control, and is unapologetic about signing the Massachusetts assault weapons ban.

    You can read the full transcript of the interview here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22273924/page/4/



    You can watch video of Romney on Meet the Press here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=5pcDA9sZES0
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    Mods - I promise this is on topic...

    So what will y'all do if he gets the nomination? Vote some 3rd party? Vote for the Dem? Stay home and not vote at all?

    Please remember that the President can only sign bills that Congress sends him (or her!). If the Democratic candidate wins, they will likely bring with them an increased majority in one or both houses, which will almost certainly guarantee that some form of AWB or other "gun control" legislation will pass and go to the Dem President to be signed. And guess what - it'll be signed.

    On the other hand, should Romney be nominated, and should he win, history shows that the Republicans will pick up at least a few seats in one or both houses, & will likely mean that they will control one or both houses of Congress. This will make it very unlikely that President Romney (or Guliani) will ever get a chance to sign an AWB or any other type of gun control, regardless of his willingness to do so given the opportunity.

    I have no desire to convince anyone here to support Romney, Guliani, or any other candidate. I simply want to point out something that all of the discussions I've seen on this forum fail to address - while the person sitting in the Oval Office is by no means unimportant when it comes to the things in which all of us are interested, Congress is where bills are created, and Congress is the place to watch.

    Vote for whomever you support, but realize that your vote does definitely matter. If you care about gun rights & 2nd Amendment issues, I'd suggest voting for anyone other than the Democratic candidate for the reasons I mentioned above, but hey, no matter how logical or well-thought-out I believe my opinion to be, its still just my opinion...

    NOTE: Let me be clear that I'm NOT a Republican. I'm just calling it as I see it. My intent is not to offend anyone who is a Democrat or may see things differently than I do. Please, vote your conscience, but be sure to think through all of the ramifications of your vote as it relates to the things all of us here care about.
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    Well without guns, he would be a "very small varmit hunter" as everything above a half dead rat would be to dangerous for him.

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    I agree. You know Hillary will do her best to take every firearm she can. The gun lobby is a voting bloc that the Repubs need for a general election and for support during a presidential term. If Romney's smart, he won't do anything to tick us off.
    "The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree..."
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    So who DOES everyone like??? Huckabee?
    Allen

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    Quote Originally Posted by allenruger View Post
    So who DOES everyone like??? Huckabee?
    I can't speak for everyone but I will speak for me...


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    +1 for Richardson.

    His leadership has positively impacted my (and many of my peers) situation in New Mexico. No one is perfect and I’m sure there will be plenty of criticism if he makes it further.

    It is a shame that “not enough money” will probably be the determining factor in his race.

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    Given Richardson's experience, I'm surprised the Democratic 'establishment' haven't pushed him forwards as their 'top tier' candidate. It's not like gun rights are a major topic for this election.

    Richardson has been recognized for negotiating the release of hostages, American servicemen, and political prisoners in North Korea, Iraq, and Cuba. He has been nominated five times for the Nobel Peace Prize.
    Seems very 'Presidential' to me. More so than the shrilling creature from New York or the 'hip, youthful' socialist Senator from Illinois..

    Can't say I agree with a majority of his viewpoints but he'd be better than any of the other Democratic candidates and some of the Republican ones (Giuliani, Romney, McCain).

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    Yep, he's the most 'presidential' candidate running left or right of the fence.
    And unlike Giuliani, Romney, Hillary, Obama, et. al. he has real time real world long experience at doing a multitude of high level complex projects & tasks including working with foreign interests going back to when he was a UN ambassador working directly with negotiations of peace amongst Israel and Palestine.

    Hello...McFly!

    No one else on the list of possibilities has a better resume and list of sucessess on the job then Richardson.
    Oh, and unlike Hillary or Obama working as senators he's and Giuliani as a mere mayor, albeit of a large and complex city, Richardson is also a governor and has had nothing but rave reviews from the citizens there as he's turned things around for them largely for the better...all the while on that job acting as a US diplomat negotiating the release of political prisoners and other US persons of interest via agents overseas.
    If anything he's more presidential than our current president as he stands today muchless when Bush ran the first time and during his reelection campaign.

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    I'll stick with the candidate that actually has a CCW...Huckabee
    I figure if he has it he won't try to take it away from me.
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    Berney,

    Richardson passed concealed carry legislation to get as much accepted in NM and thereafter got a license too, and he is noted to carry as well.

    - Janq
    "Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy

    "A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman." - Florida Div. of Licensing

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