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    Know Where Your Candidate Stands (on the 2nd Amendment)
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    Posted on 01/01/2008 803 PM EST by do the dhue
    The scene was common enough in American politics: 500 people seated in a ballroom at the Capital Hilton in Washington, D.C., television cameras glaring at a podium, and a full cast of 2008 presidential candidates set to speak. Only the event wasn’t common at all. The candidates came to a first-ever symposium where they would affirm their support for the Second Amendment of the Constitution before a crowd of National Rifle Association members. Just a few election cycles ago political pundits might have deemed the event poor presidential politics. Or so Vice President Al Gore thought. In 2000, Gore licked his index finger, held it in the political winds, and decided being anti-gun was smart national politics. He thought a post-Columbine nation was poised to pass sweeping gun control. He was sure the Million Mom March was pure populist genius. Then America’s 80 million gun owners taught him a hard lesson: Americans cherish their constitutional rights. In fact, the NRA-inspired rebuke of Gore’s anti-Second Amendment stance cost him his home state of Tennessee. As a result, in 2004, Senator John Kerry tried a more deceptive strategy. He went hunting. But, thanks to the NRA, no one was fooled. Kerry had received a 100-percent rating from the anti-hunting Humane Society of the United States and had backed legislation that would have banned the firearms and ammunition most hunters use. Thanks in part to the nation’s gun owners going to the polls armed with all that information, Kerry became a victim of his own hypocrisy. Because of the experiences of Gore and Kerry, the 2008 presidential candidates know that the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is as mainstream as baseball in America and so, unless they have something to hide, they’d be wise to make their positions clear. To give them a forum to do so, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris Cox hosted “A Celebration of American Values” on September 21-22, 2007, the first event in what will be a national tour. The results were clarifying. Politicians spelled out their views on the Second Amendment before the primaries and caucuses take place, thereby allowing voters to pick their party’s candidates effectively. And the crowd was animated. Print and television reporters gave the event unprecedented ink and airtime. C-SPAN aired the event live—and has rerun it several times since. A New York Sun op-ed by Kenneth Blackwell accurately summed up the importance of the event: “In each of the last four even-year general elections gun owners have had a massive impact. And the National Rifle Association has proven to everyone that if you want to win the presidency, earning the support of gun owners and Second Amendment defenders might be the deciding factor. … The NRA is in a stronger position than ever to influence the 2008 elections. ”

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    With that goal in mind, ILA Executive Director Chris Cox said, "This forum was not intended to serve as the springboard for an NRA endorsement in the presidential campaign. As we have historically done, we will carefully weigh every candidates past actions and future commitments on all issues affecting the Second Amendment before making an endorsement decision." NRA members came to hear and question Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.), former Senator Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.), former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee; in fact, before the end of the Conference, they heard from Senator Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, Representative John Dingell (D-Mich.), former Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore, Senator John Barrasso (R-Wyo.), Senator John Thune (R-S.D.), former Representative Harold Ford Jr. (D-Tenn.), and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. And there were taped messages from California Rep. Duncan Hunter, Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney. By the end of the day America’s gun owners found out if their candidates believe that the Second Amendment, as former Governor Mike Huckabee declared, “means what it says and says what it means,” or if their candidates would work to take away Americans’ unique Right to Keep and Bear Arms under the guise of some historically twisted, collective-rights interpretation of the Second Amendment. The event received phenomenal media attention because the presidential race is already in full swing; in fact, the race could be solidified with primaries this winter and gun rights could be a defining issue. As a result, the NRA is moving fast to make sure NRA members have the information they need to choose candidates who will respect the Second Amendment. But the NRA can’t succeed without its members’ support. To make this point clear, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre urged NRA members to make sure their friends, neighbors, or spouses who believe in a true reading of the Bill of Rights become NRA members and register to vote. To be sure America’s gun owners are not caught snoozing, the NRA has launched an ambitious membership drive in cooperation with hundreds of businesses small and large to recruit new NRA members. In a major announcement at the event, Mike Golden, CEO of Smith & Wesson, explained that because of this new industry initiative “all America’s gun owners should wake up, look around and see they must join the NRA, the civil-liberties organization defending their Second Amendment rights.” Doug Painter, president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, told readers of SHOT Business, whose primary audience is firearm industry retailers and wholesalers, “We should never underestimate the bedrock value of the voting bloc represented by our customers, the millions of gun owners across the country who place a high political value on their firearm freedoms.” In that same article, former NRA President Sandy Froman said, “We must start building the NRA membership immediately, so that we have a large grassroots army trained and in place for the next election cycle.” (Logon to www.insureyourgunrights.com to see what you can do to help.)

    Senator John McCain Arizona Senator John McCain has been widely criticized for fighting for and passing the McCain-Feingold Campaign Reform Act of 2002, a law that prohibits organizations, such as the NRA, from running issue ads that name a federal candidate within 30 days of a primary or caucus or 60 days of a general election. The NRA was in the forefront in its opposition to the law’s free-speech ban. McCain addressed such disagreements in his speech by saying, “Over the years, we’ve not agreed on every issue. We had differences over my efforts to standardize sales procedures at gun shows and to clean up our campaign finance system. I understand and respect your position.”

    Throughout his address McCain won applause with declarations such as, “The Second Amendment is unique in the world and at the core of our constitutional freedoms. It guarantees an individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms. To argue anything else is to reject the clear meaning of our Founding Fathers.” He also said, “I oppose devious efforts to use lawsuits to bankrupt our firearms manufacturers.” Later in his speech McCain announced, “The citizens of the nation’s capital do not enjoy the Right to Keep and Bear arms. That’s why I’ve co-sponsored legislation repealing the ban on firearms possession for law-abiding citizens in the District of Columbia. The Second Amendment is not just for rural Arizona; it’s for all of America.” McCain also feinted at Senator John Kerry’s attempts to overshadow his anti-gun legislation by going hunting, pointing out that there’s a hunting myth in national politics: “If you show your bona fides by hunting ducks or varmints or quail, it makes up for support of gun control. This myth overlooks a fundamental truth: The Second Amendment is not about hunting, it’s about freedom.”

    Senator Fred Thompson Former Tennessee Senator Fred Thompson was the next high-profile candidate to address the audience. He did so after a video on his accomplishments titled “The Hunt for Red November” aired. He won the crowd with: “I do remember a relationship from way back, from the time that Charlton Heston came to Tennessee in 1994, and I formed a friendship with that great American and watched him hobble across the state with me on a bad hip and go through pain to help me win my first election in the United States Senate.” Then Sen. Thompson got to the basis of his philosophy by saying, “I never subscribed to the notion that it made our country safer by infringing on the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens. I think back to the ‘A’ rating I got from this organization and the endorsements that I was proud to receive. So it’s not just a matter of promises made, as far as I’m concerned, it’s a matter of commitments that have been kept.” Later he pointed out, “My philosophy does not depend on my geography.” And he told the assembly, “I never subscribed to the notion that it made our country safer by infringing on the Second Amendment.” In answer to a question on the individual rights interpretation of the Second Amendment, Thompson said, “…the Constitution does mean what is says and is not restricted to protection of militias.”

    Governor Mitt Romney Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney’s taped speech was played on screens in which he said, “Let me speak very directly and candidly about where I stand. I support the Second Amendment as one of the most basic and fundamental rights of every American. It's essential to our functioning as a free society, as are all the liberties enumerated in the Bill of Rights. I’ve been proud to have the support of pro-Second Amendment and sportsman’s groups in my previous runs for public office. I’d be proud to have your support again as I campaign for president.” Then he commented, “I’ll ask Congress to repeal the McCain-Feingold law which sought to impose restrictions on the First Amendment rights of groups like the NRA to advocate for issues we care about.”

    Mayor Rudy Giuliani The next speaker was former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a national spokesman who advocated for passage of the Clinton semi-auto ban and supported passage of federal gun-owner licensing. As gun owners know, he also championed lawsuits to hold legal firearms manufacturers responsible for criminals who use firearms to commit violent crime. Prohibiting these lawsuits resulted in a hard-fought battle led by NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action that ended with the passage of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, signed into law by President George W. Bush.

    After his speech, in answer to the question, “do you still believe that the American gun companies should be held liable for the unforeseeable criminal misuse of their products?” Giuliani replied, “I did initiate that lawsuit back in 2000. Since then, I think that lawsuit has taken several turns and several twists that I don’t agree with. I also think that there have been subsequent intervening events—September 11—which cast somewhat of a different light on the Second Amendment and Second Amendment rights. Doesn’t change the fundamental rights, but maybe it highlights the necessity for them more. So I think that lawsuit has gone in a direction that I probably don’t agree with at this point.” In his speech Giuliani stressed his law enforcement credentials saying that when he took over as Mayor of New York City crime was out of control. Giuliani said he reduced the murder rate by 66 percent by holding people responsible for their actions and that he’d do the same as president. He later summed up his point by saying, “The bottom line is we need to step up enforcement against gun crimes and leave law-abiding citizens alone.” Giuliani explained that he read and analyzed the Parker v. The District of Columbia decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, a ruling that overturned the D.C. gun ban, a three-decade old prohibition on the possession of firearms within D.C. Giuliani deemed the Parker decision “an excellent example of strict constructionism.” In Parker, Senior Judge Lawrence H. Silberman, joined by Judge Thomas B. Griffith, concluded that “the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms.” The decision has since been appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court and Giuliani concluded that “the Parker decision should be upheld … to underscore the Castle Doctrine.” Giuliani’s views on gun control garnered most of the newscasters’ attention. In fact, later that evening CNN reporter Carol Costello asked LaPierre: “So, Rudy Giuliani stood up there and he said, ‘I know you're not going to agree with some of what I have to say, but you can believe this, that I will put into place the plan that I have.’ How did that go over with the NRA?” LaPierre responded that, “this whole forum today was the first step in a process of our involvement in the presidential race. We're going to send this out to our members. We're going to listen to what they have to say about all the candidates. And then we are going to do what's right to defend the Second Amendment.”

    Governor Mike Huckabee When addressing the United Nations’ attempts to disarm law-abiding Americans, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee said, “International law doesn’t have an application in the appellate process or the adjudication process in an American court.” And he later commented that, “Frankly, if the United Nations continues to come at us with such outrageous things, then we should not be too disappointed if the whole thing were to break off and float away in the East River, never to be seen or heard from again.” Huckabee boasted that he was the first sitting governor of Arkansas to receive a permit to carry a concealed handgun and criticized some other candidates by declaring, “I didn’t just join the NRA last year.”

    On the Second Amendment, Huckabee expounded, “I sometimes marvel that there are people in our country who will proliferously defend the importance, the primacy and the value of the First Amendment—our freedoms to speak, to assemble, to worship, the freedom of the press—and somehow act as if the Second Amendment is of lesser importance to our freedom than the first.” He also said, “We have a constitutional right granted to us, in the wisdom of our forefathers, to protect our families, to protect them from criminals, to protect them from whatever might harm them. And it is as much of a constitutional right as it is the right to speak out against our government ... . And let me be very clear: I do not believe the Second Amendment has any geographical boundaries. It does not apply differently on the East Coast than it does in the South.”
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    I complelty agree with what Huckabee said about the 2nd amendment.
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    As before Huckabee is 100% for the 2A, all others are less than 100% for the 2A.

    It is either all or none - there is no partial support for the 2A.

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    If I was a one-issue voter I'd consider him, at best. Paul is a tad more consistent in that area. I'm curious as to what legislation any candidates have sponsored or co-sponsored (not just agreed with) that has protected gun ownership and eased local/State gun laws.


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    ron paul stands just fine, thanks for askin
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    I don't believe any of them. Their beliefs change like the wind, depending where they are. Prime example...my Senator John McCain. Arizona is overrun with illegals, yet last year he tried to pass an amnesty bill. Now that the public is fed up, he's become stronger on "close the border" issues. They're all phony!

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    I'll stand behind my former governor!


    Governor Mike Huckabee When addressing the United Nations’ attempts to disarm law-abiding Americans, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee said, “International law doesn’t have an application in the appellate process or the adjudication process in an American court.” And he later commented that, “Frankly, if the United Nations continues to come at us with such outrageous things, then we should not be too disappointed if the whole thing were to break off and float away in the East River, never to be seen or heard from again.” Huckabee boasted that he was the first sitting governor of Arkansas to receive a permit to carry a concealed handgun and criticized some other candidates by declaring, “I didn’t just join the NRA last year.”

    On the Second Amendment, Huckabee expounded, “I sometimes marvel that there are people in our country who will proliferously defend the importance, the primacy and the value of the First Amendment—our freedoms to speak, to assemble, to worship, the freedom of the press—and somehow act as if the Second Amendment is of lesser importance to our freedom than the first.” He also said, “We have a constitutional right granted to us, in the wisdom of our forefathers, to protect our families, to protect them from criminals, to protect them from whatever might harm them. And it is as much of a constitutional right as it is the right to speak out against our government ... . And let me be very clear: I do not believe the Second Amendment has any geographical boundaries. It does not apply differently on the East Coast than it does in the South.”

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    As somebody once said about some of the candidates, "It is a shame that Hillary Clinton was not married to O.J. Simpson instead of Nicole." I tend to think that her socialist policies have annoyed some people like Robert Shaw using his fingernails on the blackboard in the movie "Jaws."

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    Huckabee was on Leno last night. Not knowing much about him I found him to be very interesting and at times funny. He expressed the utmost respect for all the candidates with a nice compliment specifically to McCain, probably due to his military service. He stated that if you can't stand the sight of your own blood then you shouldn't be a politician.
    He also played a mean bass guitar with the Tonight Show band!

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    Just wish I felt the trust I'd like - for any of them.

    So easy to spout what we want to hear but I have developed severe cynicism .... over many years of watching ''politician promises"!!!

    As I always tend to say - do I want to vote for Lucifer - or Beelzebub

    Now - if any would read THIS and concur, I might feel more at ease.
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    P95CARRY, let me be the first: AMEN for that!

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    No one issue will swing my vote, though it would be a very large negative if a particular candidate had voted against 2nd ammendement rights in the past.
    None of the candidates R or D have gotten me 'off the couch', none of them wish to address the issues that are most difficult to solve.

    Gun rights while very near & dear, will not be the absolute deciding factor, at least in my case...

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    Quote Originally Posted by P95Carry View Post
    Just wish I felt the trust I'd like - for any of them.

    So easy to spout what we want to hear but I have developed severe cynicism .... over many years of watching ''politician promises"!!!

    As I always tend to say - do I want to vote for Lucifer - or Beelzebub

    Now - if any would read THIS and concur, I might feel more at ease.
    I concur!

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    Ron Paul 2008!

    He has more support than the other "good" or "decent" guys,and ,...well at least hes not Obama or Hilary!

    I agree with ALOT more of Ron Pauls views,than any other candidates. I can't agree 100% of the time, with one candidate,...but thats okay,b/c the country will never agree 100% on ANYTHING,so there will always be disgagreements, I feel as though hes our best shot.


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    I vote the 2nd amendment first. All other issues are secondary to that in my mind. JMO
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