Georgia Bills In Work

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    Georgia Bills In Work

    If you live in Georgia, please write your representatives in support of the following bills:

    HB 89 which would prohibit businesses from banning firearms kept in vehicles in parking lots in Georgia.

    HB 915, The 2nd Amendment Protection Act of 2008 which makes important changes to the current, sometimes vague, laws.

    While your at it, write the NRA who has decided not to support HB 915. Let them know they should support both bills.


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    If I lived in Georgia, I would be against this HB 915 along with HB 89.

    If HB 915 is "suppose to be" PRO 2A, then it needs to be re-written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOGOFWAR01 View Post
    If I lived in Georgia, I would be against this HB 915 along with HB 89.

    If HB 915 is "suppose to be" PRO 2A, then it needs to be re-written.
    Look at the changes being made very closely. What you may be reading are what's currently on the books. Look at the line throughs and underlined portions, these are the changes that would be made. Here's a copy:

    http://www.legis.ga.gov/legis/2007_0..._3829_pf_2.htm

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    Anyone who supports this mis-named bill "2nd Amendment Protection Act of 2008", needs to re-read and understand the words of the 2nd Amendment, not add restrictions to the 2nd Amendment, take the 2nd Amendment word for word and make no changes.


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    16-11-126.(a) A person commits the offense of carrying a concealed weapon when such person knowingly has or carries about his or her person, unless in an open manner and fully exposed to view, any bludgeon, metal knuckles, firearm, knife designed for the purpose of offense and defense, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument of like character outside of his or her home or place of business, except as permitted under this Code section.

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    (2) For the second offense, and for any subsequent offense, he or she shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction thereof, shall be imprisoned for not less than two years and not more than five years.

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    the pistol, revolver, or firearm may only be carried in a shoulder holster, waist belt holster, any other holster, hipgrip, or any other similar device, in which event the weapon may be concealed by the person´s clothing, or a handbag, purse, attache case, briefcase, or other closed container. Carrying on the person in a concealed manner other than as provided in this subsection shall not be permitted and shall be a violation of this Code section.

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    d) This Code section shall not forbid the transportation of any firearm by a person who is not among those enumerated as ineligible for a license under Code Section 16-11-129, provided the firearm is enclosed in a case, unloaded, and separated from its ammunition.

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    (e) This Code section shall not forbid any person who is not among those enumerated as ineligible for a license under Code Section 16-11-129 from transporting a loaded firearm in any private passenger motor vehicle

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    "(1) 'School safety zone' means in, on, or within 1,000 feet of any real property owned by or leased to any public or private elementary school, secondary school, or school board and used for elementary or secondary education and in, on, or within 1,000 feet of the campus of any public or private technical school, vocational school, college, university, or institution of postsecondary education."

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    (3) When a person who is not a United States citizen applies for a license or renewal of a license under this Code section, the judge of the probate court shall direct the law enforcement agency to conduct a search of the records maintained by the United States Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. As a condition to the issuance of a license or the renewal of a license, an applicant who is in nonimmigrant status shall provide proof of his or her qualifications for an exception to the federal firearm prohibition pursuant to 18 U.S.C. Section 922(y).

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    "Only U.S.A. Citizens" are allowed to have permits.

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    SECTION 10.Code Section 38-3-51 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to the emergency powers of the Governor, is amended by revising paragraph (8) of subsection (d) as follows:"(8) Suspend or limit the sale, dispensing, or transportation of alcoholic beverages, firearms, explosives, and combustibles; provided, however, that any limitation on firearms under this Code section shall not include an individual firearm owned by a private citizen which was legal and owned by that citizen prior to the declaration of state of emergency or disaster or thereafter acquired in compliance with all applicable laws of this state and the United States; and".

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    You can't support both 89 and 915 in their entirety. HB89 takes away property owners rights and HB915 gives property owners rights.

    HB915 is by far the better bill to support as it gives us back far more rights than HB89 will.

    If you want a firearm in your car because you hunt before/after work, then HB89 is for you.

    If you carry a firearm for personal protection, then HB915 is for you.

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    zxd9 said "HB915 is by far the better bill to support as it gives us back far more rights than HB89 will."

    Georgia's gun laws really are some of the most restrictive in the nation. 915 does do much to clearify laws that are currently VERY vauge and open to very BROAD interpretation. That aspect alone makes it difficult for gun owners in GA.

    HB98 sholld be nulled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zxd9 View Post
    You can't support both 89 and 915 in their entirety. HB89 takes away property owners rights and HB915 gives property owners rights.

    HB915 is by far the better bill to support as it gives us back far more rights than HB89 will.

    If you want a firearm in your car because you hunt before/after work, then HB89 is for you.

    If you carry a firearm for personal protection, then HB915 is for you.
    I have to disagree, both bills can be supported. HB 89 would really only remove the capability for employers to ban guns in parked autos. HB 915 makes some badly needed changes and protects private (non-business) properties.

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    as much as i hate that employers ban guns on their property...it's their right. it's wrong for the government to tell them differently. i prefer the approach that makes a company liable, if they choose to take away it's employees' weapons.
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    Hb 915

    I'm no lawyer but HB915 sure does seem to clear up a lot of the confusion and contradiction that exists in the current Georgia laws that govern concealed carry.

    Most of the laws currently on the books in GA have evolved over the past 120 years and - in part - have been strongly influenced by post Reconstruction sentiments about race and gun ownership.

    I have contacted my state representatives and asked that they support HB 915. I do not understand or agree with the NRA's decision not to support it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronwill View Post
    I have to disagree, both bills can be supported. HB 89 would really only remove the capability for employers to ban guns in parked autos. HB 915 makes some badly needed changes and protects private (non-business) properties.
    Private doesn't apply to businesses?

    Here is the exact languange from the bill:

    Nothing in this Code section shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of a private property owner, unless such private property has been leased to a government entity, and nothing in this Code section shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of a private tenant, private employer, or private business entity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zxd9 View Post
    Private doesn't apply to businesses?

    Here is the exact languange from the bill:

    Nothing in this Code section shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of a private property owner, unless such private property has been leased to a government entity, and nothing in this Code section shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of a private tenant, private employer, or private business entity.
    Yes, over-all private means business also. However, once an individual or company opens a business their private ownership comes under certain laws. Examples are no restrictions due to national origin, sex, etc. There are many other laws that concern business operations and while your home is your castle, your business location is not. That's where HB 89 would come into effect.

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