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    BAN GUNS & PEOPLE WILL MAKE THEM

    Orange gun attack brings police warnings on illegal weapons
    Friday, 4 February 2005

    An image of an 'orange gun' in action - a PVC pipe adapted to fire projectiles using aerosol propellant, with a range of anywhere between 150 metres to 1 kilometre.
    Presenter: Steve Martin

    Hear from the homeowner whose house was attacked by a fruit-firing weapon and the policeman overseeing the increasing use of these weapons in rural areas.

    It sounds slightly comical, but the increasing trend of people constructing guns powered by aerosol propellant firing oranges and other kinds of fruit is causing serious concern within the Victorian Police.

    A family living in Colac in Victoria's south west were stunned when oranges fired from one of these weapons in a drive-by attack on their house blasted through their walls and windows recently.

    "Incidents involving actual damage to property using one of these guns is quite rare," says Senior Sergeant Dennis Toecock of the Victorian Police Licensing Division. "Orange guns are normally used for a recreational purpose rather than a destructive purpose. They could be lethal if someone was hit at close range, without doubt. These firearms have the capacity to fire up to 150m, if not more, depending on how they're loaded and the nature of the projectile used. They're made of poly-pipe, they've got a combustible gas and a small ignition system in them - they can be made for less than $20."

    And what is the primary type of projectile fired from these things?
    "Fruit and vegetables. We haved heard reports that people have used cans of baked beans. If someone is hit at close range it could be lethal - and even at further range it could cause injury that is life threatening," he says.

    For Colac resident Ricky Janssen, it was a terrifying incident.
    "We've come back from the Australia Day celebrations and found windows and weatherboards smashed and glass in our loungeroom. As soon as we got into the loungeroom... right beside the TV was what was left of an orange. The next door neighbour had witnessed a car taking off at high speed and the blast. He thought it must have been the last of the fireworks, then he heard the shatter of glass afterwards," he said.

    According to Senior Sergeant Toecock, it is possible to get these kinds of weapons registered, but the great majority are illegal and can attract very heavy penalties.
    "Licenses can be issued under certain circumstances for them, but most people don't go down that path, and as a result they face very severe fines. These orange guns - while they're considered toys by most people, they're actually category E firearms, which is our most serious category... a person who possesses these things without a license faces a maximum fine of $60,000 or a jail term of seven years. If you use one of these things in a populous place there's a penalty there for $6,000 or 12 months in jail, and using it in a dangerous manner is a $12,00 fine or 2 years' jail."

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    From a local news story several yrs ago.....

    College football in my native Nebraska is the biggest show in town. When NU scores a touchdown many fans (used to) hurl oranges onto the field symbolizing an anticipated trip to the Orange Bowl for their team as the conference champions.

    One orange thrown from the stands struck a young state trooper who was standing on the sidelines in the back of the neck/head. The orange had become frozen in the frigid weather, it is thought from sitting on the floor in the stands before being thrown.

    The trooper suffered a severed spinal cord and was paralyzed from the neck down for the remainder of his life.

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    I have plans for guns that one can make out of standard components without a machine shop.

    Ever seen a Barret crossbow in action? Granted it's a mother to string it, but it would get the job done easily enough.

    You'll never disarm people who want to be armed.

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    As long as there are machine shops...there will be guns...

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    Tolerances on a Sten are no greater than an engine piston - any jackleg machinist with tools in the bush can put together a cheap firearm. Look at the Pakestani inductry, or Viet Cong manufactured stuff....it isn't hard with both a will and a way....
    If total government control equals safety, why are prisons so dangerous?

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    you don't need a machine shop all you need is a car radio antenna.
    It's called a zip gun.

    Ain't Americans awesome. We can make a weapon out of anything.
    Think of what the "Junk Yard War" guys could do.

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    Or any guy with a lathe and a mill in his garage...

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    Just think what equipment and activities will be outlawed or closely regulated if gun control is allowed to proceed - first, dangerous assault weapons, then handguns and chemical sprays, then centerfire rifles and shotguns, then .22's, pellet guns, and BB's, then knives, then sticks, then machine tools, lathes, and tools that could be used to make guns or bladed weapons. Every step will be a "first step" towards making the streets safe for the children. No step will be enough for those who want control over your lives.
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    I have made three potato cannons - a 1", 1 1/2" and a 2" bore. They are exceelnt grin makers but I can attest to the close range potential for injury. Not thru actual injury of course but just thru observation.

    A potato ''piston'' fired close up to a wood post will all but vaporize. Fire one from 20 feet away at steel siding and observe the dent - massive distortion and so - one can assume the probability of serious blunt trauma if a close range impact on a person.

    This type of thing used sensibly is harmless and fun but there will always be those anywhere who choose to invoke dangerous mischief and thus spoil things for the majority.

    As far as ''real'' guns go - indeed, the degree of engineering skill required to make them is quite modest - if anything, choice of materials is the prime consideration.
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    Wow, a gun that shoots oranges. That means I have a small grove of ammo trees in my backyard. I may need to make me one of those....
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    Who said ammo doesn't grow on trees?
    Meanwhile you could really do some head bumping with one of those Orange Guns!

    Or How about a State Militia composed of women all packing Deadly Orange Guns.
    Instead of being Minute Men....They would be Called Minute Maids...Minute Maid??...Orange Juice?? Get it?
    Oh well, another bad QKShooter pun bites the forum dust.

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    EPA should love these things - fully bio-degradable ammo
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