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    U.S. Gun Rights At Issue In U.N. Effort

    This sounds like some useful law making being proposed!!
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    Expressing concern that the United Nations` efforts to stem international gun running could impede the rights of U.S. gun owners, Sen. David Vitter, R-La., is proposing legislation to bar financing for the world organization should it infringe on Americans` Second Amendment rights.

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    U.S. gun rights at issue in UN effort
    Vitter proposes bill to protect arms owners
    Saturday, August 13, 2005
    By Bruce Alpert
    Washington bureau
    WASHINGTON -- Expressing concern that the United Nations' efforts to stem international gun running could impede the rights of U.S. gun owners, Sen. David Vitter, R-La., is proposing legislation to bar financing for the world organization should it infringe on Americans' Second Amendment rights.

    Critics of Vitter's bill, including Eric Howard of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, accuse the freshman senator of placating voters who oppose gun control and are cynical about the United Nations. Howard said the bill could torpedo international efforts to stem the flow of arms to brutal militias in Africa and elsewhere that target civilians, particularly children.


    Vitter, who calls his bill The Second Amendment Protection Act of 2005, said he's all for reducing the spread of weapons to terrorists, criminals or violent insurgents. "But the UN efforts seem to go well beyond that into an area that threatens the Second Amendment rights of Americans to keep and bear arms," he said.

    Among the steps Vitter said have been discussed by UN delegates at a recent meeting are tracking lists of all firearm sales, worldwide record-keeping of all manufactured guns and even the licensing of all gun owners, measures he said are anathema to U.S. gun owners.


    International focus

    Vitter, who introduced his bill just before the start of the August recess, has nine co-sponsors, all Republicans.

    Rebecca Peters, director of the London-based International Action Network on Small Arms, said that while the National Rifle Association is trying to portray the UN effort as an attempt to require Americans to register their guns, the consensus of delegates who met at the United Nations last month is quite different.

    The emphasis, she said, is on getting international agreements to notify countries when arms are being shipped across international boundaries, a requirement that manufacturers produce an identifying trait, much like a fingerprint, so officials can identify guns used in crimes and military attacks, and a system to ensure the destruction or securing of surplus military weapons and those confiscated in crime investigations.

    UN delegates at the conference said they would return for another meeting next summer to try to draw up a treaty, although Peters said opposition from the United States and its new UN Ambassador John Bolton may make that task difficult, if not impossible.


    U.S. laws too lax?

    "I'm sorry if the senator (Vitter) is feeling anxious, but I'm happy to assure him that there is no danger of the United Nations coming in and confiscating guns of his constituents," Peters said. Even if that's what UN delegates wanted, she said, the United States would be unlikely to ratify a treaty with such provisions.

    At its July meeting on gun running, the United Nations released a report estimating that 500,000 people have died over the past decade from injuries caused by small weapons or guns used in crimes or military attacks. Children are frequent victims, the UN report said.

    Wendy Cukier, president of Canada's Coalition to End Gun Violence, said the issue is a priority to the United States' northern and southern neighbors because 80 percent of gun crimes committed in Mexico and 50 percent in Canada involve guns that originated in the United States. Strong gun control laws in Mexico and Canada, she said, are being undermined by lax laws in the United States.

    "The United States never hesitates to impose standards on other countries: pushing Canada to strengthen its border controls in the fight on terrorism and for Mexico and Central American countries to reduce the flow of drugs north across the border," Cukier said. "But it won't take steps to reduce the flow of guns outside the United States, and that's a big problem in Canada and Mexico."


    Target: Gun violence

    Under the Vitter bill, the United States would be barred from providing financing to the United Nations unless the president of the United States certifies that the United Nations "has not taken action to restrict, attempt to restrict, or otherwise adversely infringed upon the rights of individuals in the United States to possess a firearm or ammunition . . . "

    Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association, said that Vitter is right to be concerned about what the United Nations might do in the name of reducing gun violence. "While the goals may be noble, their intent is very clear and that is impeding the rights of law-abiding Americans to own guns," Arulanandam said.

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    Mr. Vitter's stance especially under heavy fire from a bunch of nutjobs and spindoctors is commendable.

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    Given the comments from organizations that we know support our second amendment rights (yeah right), I'd say Rep. Vitter saw through their scheme and now they are mad about it.

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    At its July meeting on gun running, the United Nations released a report estimating that 500,000 people have died over the past decade from injuries caused by small weapons or guns used in crimes or military attacks. Children are frequent victims, the UN report said.

    Yeah mostly by genocide in countrys where the common citizen is not allowed to own guns for self defense...giving any two bit dictator the ability to kill them with machetes, gas, their own troops or any means possible and the UN flat refused to do anything about it. Instead they want to get OUR guns.

    Where was the UN when people were getting butchered by machetes in Rwanda ?
    Where were they when Hussein was gassing his own people ?
    Where were they when certain ethnic groups in the Sudan were getting slaughtered ?
    Where were they in Somalia when people were starving to death ?
    What the heck are they they doing in Bosnia? Not a dang thing. The killing continues.
    The UN is as much to blame as anyone. Instead of acting, they condem our actions and ***** at everything we do.



    Im for giving them 24 hours to get the heck out of our country before we take over and start putting them in prison with the rest of the thugs.

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    Wendy Cukier, president of Canada's Coalition to End Gun Violence, said the issue is a priority to the United States' northern and southern neighbors because 80 percent of gun crimes committed in Mexico and 50 percent in Canada involve guns that originated in the United States.
    This may be true. Their citizens come to our country and steal our guns. All the more reason to control our borders, something that our "neighbors" to the north and particularly to the south don't want us doing....

    We really do need to get out of the UN.
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    I hope John Bolton lives up to my expectations as the U.N. ambassador and makes these U.N. SOBs take care of some of there own business instead trying to mess with ours rights.

    I am all for stopping U.S. funding of the U.N. There are better uses for Tax dollars.
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    Critics of Vitter's bill, including Eric Howard of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, accuse the freshman senator of placating voters who oppose gun control and are cynical about the United Nations. Howard said the bill could torpedo international efforts to stem the flow of arms to brutal militias in Africa and elsewhere that target civilians, particularly children.
    Placating voters??? sounds to me like there's someone who's actually willing to REPRESENT his constituents. Good for him.

    "I'm sorry if the senator (Vitter) is feeling anxious, but I'm happy to assure him that there is no danger of the United Nations coming in and confiscating guns of his constituents," Peters said. Even if that's what UN delegates wanted, she said, the United States would be unlikely to ratify a treaty with such provisions.
    No danger? maybe not right now but what's gonna happen when we get some leftist commie in charge who's willing to ratify the treaty. As I recall, Bush took quite a bit of heat a few years ago for refusing to have anything to do with that treaty. And, if I'm not mistaken, it comes up for a vote again next year.
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    Regardless of what you may hear about the UN proposed "treaty", it would require registration of all gun owners in the U.S. and has provisions in the current draft that would eventually lead to confiscation. The "treaty" (I have no idea why they call it a treaty??) would be presented for ratification by the legislative branch of our government as early as next summer. If our elected representatives are stupid enough to ratify it we will have two choices; (1) Slave (2) Outlaw. I'm approaching 70 years of age so the idea of being forced to become an outlaw is kinda exciting. Hope I'm gone before that happens tho'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumper
    This may be true. Their citizens come to our country and steal our guns. All the more reason to control our borders, something that our "neighbors" to the north and particularly to the south don't want us doing....

    We really do need to get out of the UN.
    For those not familiar with Eastern European history: Vlad Tepiis/Dracul (the Dragon, aka, Vlad the Imapler) was the (nominally) Christian, two-time King of Romania/Wallachia. Undeniably despotic, nevertheless, his was the only "minor" kingdom to halt the advance of the Ottomans (Islam) by force and fear. Something to be said for a foreign invader on a gibbet, every 20 yards or so.
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