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    mayor: No reason to have a firearm at home, Miller says

    James Cowan
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    Tuesday, August 16, 2005



    Gun owners in Toronto may soon be prohibited from keeping their firearms at home even if they are properly licensed and registered, Mayor David Miller said yesterday.

    "There's no reason to own a gun in Toronto -- collector or not. If you are a collector and you have a permit, the guns need to be stored in a way that they can't be stolen. And perhaps a centralized facility of some kind could accomplish that goal," Mr. Miller told the National Post. "The law requires gun owners to have proper storage, but obviously not everyone adheres to that."

    Following a spate of shootings in Toronto, the Mayor has asked city lawyers and the police to determine whether the municipality has the "legal ability" to require individuals to store their weapons at a secure facility such as a gun club.

    "It's a very serious issue and I don't have all the answers to it, but I've spoken to the [Police] Chief as well as our own legal department to see what we can do," Mr. Miller said.

    The Mayor has repeatedly blamed lax gun laws in the United States for some of Toronto's violence, saying half of the firearms in the city originated in the United States.

    While pressing the federal government to stem the smuggling of guns across the border, Mr. Miller said steps must also be taken steps to address domestic gun problems.

    "I understand there was one theft from a collector two years ago, where some of the guns were recovered after being used in murders in Toronto," he said.

    Police have also speculated a theft in June of 46 handguns, along with three rifles and ammunition, from a collector in Port Hope, 100 kilometres east of the city, has contributed to the recent increase in shootings.

    Mr. Miller noted several U.S. cities such as Chicago have passed ordinances restricting handgun ownership. But legal gun owners argue the new rules would only make life simpler for criminals.

    "It would just put all the firearms in one place so they could all be stolen at one time," said Eric Greer of the Ontario Arms Collectors Association. "That would be a wonderful thing."

    Mr. Greer added the Mayor's proposal would not prevent criminals from acquiring weapons, noting Canada enacted its first handgun registry in 1934.

    "It hasn't made one iota of difference. And the reason is the people that registered their handguns don't commit the crimes. The people who commit crimes don't register their guns. It's as simple as that," he said.

    Other gun owners said they are tired of being conflated with murderers and thieves.

    "There are legal gun owners all over Ontario who don't go around brandishing their guns, who go through the whole rigamarole to get licensed properly," said Bill, a member of the Maple Leaf Revolver Club, who asked his last name not be used citing safety concerns. "The Mayor's not thinking properly."

    He added most gun owners would support tough sentences for individuals caught using firearms to commit a crime.

    "At most of the clubs, you will hear people say, 'Arrest the guy, look at the law and if the law says to throw him away for five years or 10 years, do it,' " the gun owner said.

    Mr. Miller agreed the courts must be more stringent, noting individuals caught with weapons currently are routinely released on bail.

    "If somebody has a gun, that's illegal, whether or not they've shot it should be irrelevant. They should be treated like they've shot it and tried to kill somebody," he said. "So when they come to court, they shouldn't get out. They should be kept in court until they're tried."
    I have no idea where this mayor gets his logic from, absolutely mind boggling how he thinks. A central gun lock up??? That would be tempting even for the non-criminals..think kid in a candy store after hours. Since this isn't a US issue it's not as bad, but I don't like the fact they had to bring us into the argument.
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    As long as we remain free in the U.S., we will be the ultimate argument against guns. When the gun banners in other countries run out of excuses for why their gun bans and gun control fail, they will always point fingers at U.S., and say we are the reason. They will never accept that disarming the law-abiding only makes the problem worse.
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    This type of thing was mooted in UK way back - before stuff had to be handed in.

    Great eh - collect some guns, which you wish to shoot with at times (even leaving aside any defensive connotations) - leave them stored in some cop shop somewhere and so have no ability to clean and maintain - no chance to fondle and enjoy in the collecting sense. Then also - make special trip to get them (sign in and out no doubt) - and off to the range, as if they were loaners.

    Of course this thing as described in Canada will, naturally, include all criminal's guns yeah? They would be lining up to aquiesce to ''safe storage'' - right!

    Pah - what a joke. They might as well accuse all shootings as being carried out by law abiding folks.

    Same old - same old - punish the honest for the transgressions of the few. It is blatant gun grabbing in one form or another - poorly disguised too. <puke smilie>
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    Und vee vill inshtall un central govurnmint to control ze people!!
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