New York Times Lies about Veterans

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    New York Times Lies about Veterans

    NYT 'Killer Veterans' Story
    Exposed As Erroneous
    Press Release
    1-14-8


    SACRAMENTO -- Move America Forward, the nation's largest grassroots pro-troop organization, today announced that after vetting the numbers cited by The New York Times in their Sunday, January 13, 2008 story, "Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles," it became clear that the Times had engaged in demonstrably erroneous and false reporting.

    It took seven New York Times researchers to find 121 cases in which veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan committed a killing in the United States, or were charged with one, upon returning home to this country.

    The Times made the false conclusion that: "Taken together, they paint the patchwork of a quiet phenomenon, tracing a cross-country trail of death and heartbreak."

    The Times documentation of 121 potential killings out of more than 1.5 million veterans of Operation Iraqi Freedom (Iraq) and Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan), divided by 6 years of conflict results in a murder rate of just 1.34 incidents per 100,000 veterans per year.

    That murder rate is far lower than the murder rate for the general population, demonstrating that the experiences of military service - including having served in Iraq and Afghanistan - actually made it less likely for returning veterans to commit murder once they returned home, than the general population.

    Given a census-estimated population of the United States of 300,000,000 persons in this country as of October 2006, and FBI-compiled statistics of 17,399 homicide offenders for 2006, the murder rate of the general population was 5.80 offenders per 100,000 on average - and a rate of approximately 7.67 per 100,000 for men.

    Since all but one of the veterans cited by the Times who committed a killing in the U.S. was male, the comparable rate is approximately 7.67 incidents of murder per 100,000 people among the general male population, compared to just 1.34 incidents per 100,000 returning Iraq and Afghanistan veterans (of both genders).

    "It's obvious that the New York Times has an agenda of undermining the missions of our troops in the War on Terror, so much so that they are willing to resort to demonstrably false statistics to support their anti-troop bias," said Melanie Morgan, Chairman of Move America Forward.

    "The slander of our troops and veterans by the New York Times is unfortunately all too familiar. We heard this kind of nonsense about our returning veterans from Vietnam. It's the same insult, different war.

    "Perhaps the shameful staff of The New York Times has run out of war-time secrets to publish for America's enemies to read, because now they've resorted to an all-out smear campaign of America's finest men and women, who have served this country bravely and with distinction," Morgan said.

    In place of hard data to support their premise, The New York Times was instead forced to devote almost the entire portion of 6,321 word hit-piece to anecdotes of wrongdoing by individual veterans.

    The New York Times even went so far as to trace back the phenomenon of murderous veterans to Greek mythology to back up their assertions of their report.

    "The real mythology is the reporting by The New York Times," Move America Forward's Melanie Morgan concluded.

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    Informative Post

    I didn't follow the TV news today. Did you notice if this was covered by non-print media? This would be right up Bill O'Reilly's alley.

    The nyt sux IMHO.

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    The Old Grey Lady needs to pass on. I can't believe people still regard the NYT as a news source. Its a paper full of editorials. Of course, so is most of the US media.
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    Yeah....I heard about this......just you wait, we'll have the movies featuring Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen or Marines as PTSD'd out veterans who shoot up a gay dog daycare run by Rosie only because George Bush lied to him and he needs his pills to make the voices stop.

    I loathe this kind of reporting.

    It makes something irrelevent front page news....whereas there are atrocities being committed against children that go unchecked.
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    I'd be very interested in seeing a source for setting the number of veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan at 1.5 million. That's about the size of the Army, National Guard, and Marine Corps combined.

    Not saying the number is impossible, but it just seems high to me given the fact that we have bout 150k troops in Iraq, about 20k in Afghanistan as well as individuals that are going back for their 3rd and 4th tours.

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    Agreed, that number sounds crazy high.

    No way has 1M muchless more have been Iraq and/or Afghanistan veterans.
    That many at one time may have been enlisted serving in locations around the world domestic and overseas (e.g. German, Japanese, and bases in Guam) but there have not been that many American boots on ground in Iraq or Afghanistan.
    Now if the NYT counted murders amongst all of the military broadly including those who served in locations around the globe (e.g German, Japanese, and bases in Guam) then that would be just silly and to which the counting of all US service members regardless of location served within the time frame of Operations Iraqi Freedom (Iraq) and Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan) and even Desert Shield (Iraq) would then add up, but still none the less be senseless.

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    Most newspapers in this country seem to take their standards for truth from Pravda.
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    Now don't be so hard on the New York Times, I purchase one copy and have cage liners for Chiquita (blue and gold macaw) for a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Agreed, that number sounds crazy high.

    No way has 1M muchless more have been Iraq and/or Afghanistan veterans.
    That many at one time may have been enlisted serving in locations around the world domestic and overseas (e.g. German, Japanese, and bases in Guam) but there have not been that many American boots on ground in Iraq or Afghanistan.
    Now if the NYT counted murders amongst all of the military broadly including those who served in locations around the globe (e.g German, Japanese, and bases in Guam) then that would be just silly and to which the counting of all US service members regardless of location served within the time frame of Operations Iraqi Freedom (Iraq) and Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan) and even Desert Shield (Iraq) would then add up, but still none the less be senseless.

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    Maybe they're double counting (non-purposefully), ie: they're counting deployments and not checking to make sure it's the same person deployed 3 or more times.
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    This deals with ''puke'' reporting ........ half-truths and hype, all to sell copy.

    Trouble is - so many darned gullible folks around many will believe whatever crap is spewed. The media deserves less and less trust ---- it only seems to get worse.

    No disrespect to good journalists but I have a hard job sometimes knowing which I can loathe more --------- them or politicians ... both seem to have devised the art of dis and mis information - and broken promises.
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    Thanks I am going to post this elsewhere, using veterans like this is absolutly disgusting, I knew the NYT was trolling in the sewers already, but now I know they are worse than that.

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    1.5 million is easily believable. The vast majority of military members get out after their first term (like me, did my tour there and got out when my EAS hit). The war has been going on for several years now. Accounting for that kind of attrition it's pretty easy to see that many different people having been in the sandbox.
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    This is what is to be expected coming from a Communist rag. The commies have the newspapers and the MSM (TV) and those for freedom have the radio.
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