Guns Are Causing Crime In San Francisco???

Guns Are Causing Crime In San Francisco???

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    Guns Are Causing Crime In San Francisco???

    Before you read the article below, I think it is important to realize a few facts.

    City of SF Population: ~800,000
    Number of CCW Permits: 10

    SF County is the worst county for permits issued in the State of CA. In addition, the City has been blatant in their attempt to ban ownership of handguns and would rather see all legal ownership gone.

    To the point: Law Abiding Citizens have been stripped of the opportunity to own or possess firearms to protect themselves.

    Without further delay:

    Guns, crack cocaine fuel homicides in S.F. - 98 killings in 2007

    Cecilia M. Vega, Chronicle Staff Writer

    Tuesday, January 15, 2008

    The prevalence of guns and an uptick in the crack cocaine trade are fueling homicides in San Francisco, which in 2007 recorded its highest number of killings in more than a decade, a police analysis of the bloodshed shows.

    Of the 98 homicides in 2007, the biggest share took place in the city's violence-plagued Bayview neighborhood, and more than half of all the victims killed were black men.

    San Francisco police officials testifying Monday before the Board of Supervisors' Public Safety Committee hearing in City Hall said guns were the cause of nearly 75 percent of all the city's slayings last year.

    "If you took the guns out of the picture ... we have relatively very little other violence," said Lt. John Murphy, who heads the Police Department's homicide detail. "It's just spontaneous violence, and everybody's carrying a gun."

    Other large cities around the country, including Los Angeles, New York and Boston, all saw decreases in homicides, but San Francisco's peaked. The last time the city had more killings in one year was in 1995, when there were 104.

    San Francisco was not alone. Other Bay Area cities also saw a spike; Richmond had 47 homicides in 2007, compared with 42 in 2006, marking the highest number in 12 years. In December alone, there were 13 slayings - the most homicides on record for a single month in the East Bay city.

    Oakland saw a drop in the total number of slayings for 2007, with 127 homicides, compared with 148 the previous year.

    Though San Francisco's Bayview district was hit hardest, with 24 homicides last year, there were four fewer killings there than in 2006. The Police Department's Northern Station, which encompasses the Western Addition neighborhood, had five fewer homicides in 2007 than in the previous year - a decrease city officials and police attribute to an increase in uniformed police presence.

    The neighborhood got off to a bloody start, with one weekend in February leaving two men and a 13-year-old girl shot dead, but there hasn't been a homicide in there since spring, city officials said.

    "We said to the community, 'We are establishing a presence here.' And it was welcomed. ... They felt a sense of relief," said Supervisor Ross Mirkarimi, who represents the Western Addition on the Board of Supervisors and chairs the Public Safety Committee. "I'm wondering if this can be replicated in other pockets (of the city)."

    An increase in foot patrols "elevated the self-esteem back up of the community," Mirkarimi said.

    Murphy called the saturated effort involving uniformed officers routinely patrolling the neighborhood and working hand-in-hand with the Police Department's gang task force to target suspects "the best way to go. Period."

    Although the Western Addition saw a drop in homicides, there were increases in other neighborhoods. There were four homicides in the Tenderloin in 2006, but last year there were nine - in large part because of drugs, specifically crack cocaine, Murphy said.

    "The drug violence is way up," Murphy said. "People are coming from other areas to sell drugs."

    In all, there were 19 drug-related killings in the city last year, compared with 13 in 2006. Only disputes between individuals topped drugs as the known reasons for possible motives. Police believe disputes led to 30 homicides in 2007.

    Of the 98 killings, police closed 22 cases by arresting suspects, Murphy said. Three were closed because the killings were deemed to be homicide-suicides.

    Mayor Gavin Newsom recently hired former U.S. Attorney Kevin Ryan, who was fired as part of a Bush administration shakeup in the Justice Department, to be the mayor's point person on criminal justice issues.

    Newsom spokesman Nathan Ballard said Monday that the mayor will be introducing "new strategies to augment existing strategies" in coming weeks.

    "Even one homicide is unacceptable," Ballard said. "We're not satisfied with what we have done to confront the plague of homicides on our streets. ... We're not doing enough. We need to do more."

    Seven of the people killed last year were juveniles, the youngest being two 15-year-old boys, one of whom was slain in a dispute and the other in a gang-related homicide, police said.

    Murphy also said a handful of shootings took place outside nightclubs last year; only one did in 2006.

    "People (are) coming to San Francisco, going to the clubs and carrying guns," he said. "And the majority of that violence occurs when the club closes in the evening."

    Last year, the city also saw an increase in the number of Latinos killed, from 16 in 2006 to 24 in 2007, a figure that includes two double homicides.

    The number of homicides involving sharp instruments, such as a knife, doubled in 2007 from 8 to 16.

    E-mail Cecilia M. Vega at cvega@sfchronicle.com.

    Guns, crack cocaine fuel homicides in S.F. - 98 killings in 2007
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    guns were the cause of nearly 75 percent of all the city's slayings last year.
    Guns are the cause of nothing. People were killing each other way before smokeless powder changed the world.

    "If you took the guns out of the picture ... we have relatively very little other violence,"
    They still have 25% "other" slayings. I am sorry to hear those 24.5 lives last year were classified as "very little".

    When are these pansies going to wake up and smell the crack?
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    Is it really so bad that Crack heads are killing each other off?

    I jest of course... well... sorta...

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    "It's just spontaneous violence, and everybody's carrying a gun."
    Let me make that more accurate .

    "It's just spontaneous violence, and every lawbreaker/criminal is carrying a gun." (Just so happens law abiding folks are stripped of their rights)
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    If you take guns out of the equation bad people will be attacking and/or murdering people with knives and bats and hammers (!) and nail guns (!) and swords (!), and axes (!) and bare hands and shod feet.
    Crime will remain the same if not be worst.

    Guns and tools don't kill people.
    People with intent to kill people, kill people.

    Australia, England, Ireland, and France banned firearms and as a result they all have long had higher criminal victimization rates per capita than the US.

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    This is pure drivel, even from SF. The blatant, smack you in the face inconsistencies should have the author fired, and banned for life from ever putting pen to paper...

    She blames guns for increased homicide rates - entirely and without qualification - and in the VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH admits that cities with easier/laxer CCW rules have seen a decrease in homicides over the same time period. How can it just be guns - which is the main thrust of the "article," if other cities are seeing fewer homicides? I do, however, see the Police point here - it's much easier to blame the guns than it is inefficient or ineffective police work...

    With all the screaming about the increased rate, you'd think this was some kind of tremendous spike, right? Well, there were 85 homicides in SF in 2006, and 96 in 2005. So, this giant increase is actually just a return to 2005 numbers... Even if you dicount 2005, the increase is about 15%. Now, the increase in knife murders was 100% - a massively bigger percentage, obviously - but is there one single mention of knives being the cause of the increase? No, there is one line, at the very end of the "article."

    This is a huge, steaming pile of crap - and that's being generous. But, I guess that's what we've come to expect from SF... Where's the earthquakes when you need them?
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    "If you took the guns out of the picture ... we have relatively very little other violence," said Lt. John Murphy, who heads the Police Department's homicide detail. "It's just spontaneous violence, and everybody's carrying a gun."
    Yea, right, and he could be sheriff of Mayberry like Andy Taylor and wouldn't have to carry his sidearm!!!
    All his deputes would have one bullet in their front pockets!!!
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    Consider the source.
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    What idiots! Just take those evil guns away and no more violence. Yea right, how stupid can you get?
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    People believe what they want to. People in that area want to believe that if all the guns go away then the murders go away with them. They want to blame all of their problems on an inanimate object that can, theoretically, be eliminated. They don't want to believe that people are the cause of the problem, because you can't eliminate people. Wake up Alice, the White Rabbit has left the barn and the fairy tale is gone with it.
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    98 killings in a city of 800,000 vs 300+ in a city of about 700,000 (Detroit) sounds like a minor homicide rate to me.

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    Didn't these knuckleheads have their precious gun ban declared unconstitutional by the local District court? If so, maybe their crime rate will drop just like Detroit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    If you take guns out of the equation bad people will be attacking and/or murdering people with knives and bats and hammers (!) and nail guns (!) and swords (!), and axes (!) and bare hands and shod feet.
    Crime will remain the same if not be worst.

    Guns and tools don't kill people.
    People with intent to kill people, kill people.

    Australia, England, Ireland, and France banned firearms and as a result they all have long had higher criminal victimization rates per capita than the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    This is a huge, steaming pile of crap - and that's being generous.
    But, I guess that's what we've come to expect from SF...
    Where's the earthquakes when you need them?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Guns and tools don't kill people.
    People with intent to kill people, kill people.
    That's exactly right. Only those with an agenda and something to steal from citizens think otherwise, push otherwise, demand otherwise, legislate otherwise.
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