January 17th, 2008 11:29 AM
P95Carry has a rant (If the 2A meant something ........)
In it he notes that elected officials take an oath to uphold the Constitution.
I was wondering, do you think it would go anywhere if we look at the actions of elected officials and sue them on the grounds that they are not upholding the Constitution? Would it even make the 6 o'clock news?
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January 17th, 2008 11:41 AM
IMHO you wouldn't get to first base. They have too many friends that cover for them - they cover for each other. No, I don't think it would not make the 6 o'clock news - but I could be wrong.
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January 17th, 2008 12:31 PM
January 17th, 2008 01:09 PM
Last time I checked, you can't sue a politician (or judge, or prosecutor, or other officials), but you can sue the Gov't. Good luck with that though...
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January 17th, 2008 02:23 PM
But, the more important question is -- who is going to pay the lawyer. Although there are some who will tell you that you have a great case until they have gotten your money, most will be honost with you up front and tell you about governmental immunity and all of the other immunities for legislators/congressmen.
Originally Posted by exactlymypoint
On the other hand, if you really want to test the law, you can get yourself convicted of a firearms violation, and test the law in your numerous appeals, and if very lucky, perhaps even the U.S. Supreme Court might look at your case some day to decide whether the penal statute violates the U.S. Constitution.
There are other avenues for testing the constitutionality of laws, but not the one that you gave. We lawyers love those who want to pay to have these laws tested in court.
January 17th, 2008 03:34 PM
Why worry about suing them and putting money into the pockets of lawyers, and others in the process. Just get rid of them, by voting them out of office.
I would love to hear a great sucking sound like Ross Perot talked about when he spoke of NAFTA, but in the context of all the politicians being flushed out of office. That is where most of them belong, regardless of political party, is in the sewage treatment facility.
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January 17th, 2008 05:32 PM
Right there with ya Ferron! Ii thought about the frequent "breach of contract" by politicians. Isn't the oath a verbal contract (or can't it be construed as such)?
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January 17th, 2008 08:33 PM
You don't step on Superman's cape, you don't spit in the wind.
You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger, and you don't sue a politician...with hope to win.
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January 17th, 2008 09:05 PM
Such a thing would hardly be frivolous, if by that you suggest that frivolous = having no merit. Though, I agree it would be highly unlikely to go anywhere, at least so long as the dishonorable disrespect the oath made for the office.
Originally Posted by Captain Crunch
A public official caught lying under oath currently has ramifications if caught breaking the current oath, but not if caught breaking the first oath. One would think it far, far more important to halt the screwing over of the Constitution. An oath is an oath. One should not get a bye merely because it's inconvenient.
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January 17th, 2008 09:59 PM
Great argument [And you can make continue to make the same brilliant argument before the appellate courts in your effort to shuck the frivolous lawsuit penalties, until you have to get out your check book.]
Originally Posted by ccw9mm
January 17th, 2008 10:22 PM
I fully realize that to try would be, as they say - p'ing in the wind (upwind!).
David, Goliath ........ so many analogies and no sling shot.
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January 18th, 2008 08:21 AM
It might work if the politicians stopped looking at the elected office as an occupation and entitlement vs an elected service voted in by the people. Don't think thats going to happen as radical changes would need to take place in the judicial system. These would be the gate keepers. Voted in... voted out.
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January 20th, 2008 01:13 AM
As a lawyer friend of mine likes to say, you can sue anyone over anything. Whether a judge and/or jury will allow it/see it your way is whole 'nother matter.
January 20th, 2008 01:22 AM
Your eloquence says it all, and your wisdom shines upon us all!
Originally Posted by Janq
January 20th, 2008 01:54 AM
Still, I'd like to see someone try.
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