Different way of attacking May-issue states

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    Question Different way of attacking May-issue states

    I thought about this the other day, part of the problem w/NJ and MD is when you apply for a CCW is they don't refund the application fees, even if you don't get the permit. That'll discourage anyone to even try. If they had to give your money back, then they'd be spending time running backgrounds,exc. just to say "NO," and then they'd have wasted time and taxpayer money for nothing. If you don't lose anything by trying then more people would try.
    I think if this happened, you could conceivably overrun the departments with so many applications they'd HAVE to start issuing or it could be a big drain on the departments resources. I think it would be easier to change this than to flip the state overnight into a "shall-issue," state.
    What do you guys think?
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    sure, but that would never happen
    its the government, they just want your money remember?
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    I would have to agree with friesepferd. If you can get the laws changed, just make it a shall issue state.
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    Dont give them your money

    save it to move out from that corrupt state

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    That's assuming of course that they even BOTHER with the background check. I'd be willing to bet they get applications in, sit on them for a week, then just send a denial letter.
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    But wouldn't it be easier to pass legislation (or regulation) stating since the whole process is totally subjective,that you should not forfeit money. Also in regards to them simply filing your paperwork in the trash, and not running a background check,isn't there a way for a person to find out if their background has been run recently,and by whom? That way you could call them on it if they just try to tell you no without doing a thing.Correct me if I'm wrong but if you go to the DMV for a driver's license and fail the test then you don't pay?
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    I'm from a SHALL issue state. I they told me before I applied that the
    fee was not refundable. They told me that I was paying to cover the costs of the background check.
    That said I do agree that something should be done about allowing the government to decide which of my constitutional rights i'm allowed to use.

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    Another question is. How many of the "shall issue" states actually run a background check. My guess they reject without running a check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmilchman View Post
    Another question is. How many of the "shall issue" states actually run a background check. My guess they reject without running a check.
    All states that issue concealed weapons permits, whether "shall issue" or "may issue" do so only after the applicant has passed a background investigation. So yes, they actually "run" a background check.

    Your second statement has no basis in fact, except maybe in New Jersey.


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    But gun stores don't charge extra for background checks. Why does the state tell you they need $$ for a check. Don't they have computers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Crunch View Post
    All states that issue concealed weapons permits, whether "shall issue" or "may issue" do so only after the applicant has passed a background investigation. So yes, they actually "run" a background check.

    Your second statement has no basis in fact, except maybe in New Jersey.
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