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    Philly Inquirer Poll to hit (Merged)

    Don't know if you saw this article in the Philly Inquirer or not
    - I've been corresponding with Jeremy Clark and I'm lending him
    holsters for the next Students for Concealed Carry protest.

    Student group pushes for right to carry concealed weapons on campus | Philadelphia Inquirer | 03/01/2008

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    Voted. Current results:

    Do you support allowing students to carry concealed guns on campus?

    Yes 1534 (73.1%)
    No 565 (26.9%)

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    I voted yes, although I think it should have been worded differently. I think everyone, not just students, should be allowed to carry on campus.
    When the messenger arrives and says 'Don't shoot the messenger,' it's a good idea to be prepared to shoot the messenger, just in case.

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    Do you support allowing students to carry concealed guns on campus?
    Yes 1586 (73.5%)
    No 572 (26.5%)
    Total votes = 2158

    Question:
    When this comes up in the media why is it always that folks think the only people on campuses are 'students' and they imagine no one but fresh out of HS 18 yr. olds with raging hormones?
    Those persons make up the minority not majority of a given student body (juniors and seniors average in age at 21!) and they are also a minority in regard to population as a whole that may be on campus at any given time inclusive of staff including educators _and_ non-educator personnel who have just as much right and reason to wish to protect their person as any one else in life and should not be effectively penalized because they happen to have been a customer of and/or are in some way employed by a school.

    - Voter #1586
    "Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy

    "A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman." - Florida Div. of Licensing

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    Do you support allowing students to carry concealed guns on campus?
    Yes 1630 (73.1%)
    No 599 (26.9%)

    Be ready. You can't make an appointment for an emergency.

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    Poll on CCW on campus

    There is a poll there about students being allowed CCW on campus WE ARE LOSING, VOTE NOW!!!

    http://www.philly.com/inquirer/home_...n_campus_.html

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    Current tally

    Yes
    1723 (73.0%)
    No
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    BTW.. the link did not work but by doing a search of "student gun" I was able to find it.

    as of right now the vote is

    Do you support allowing students to carry concealed guns on campus?
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    1728 (73.0%)
    No
    640 (27.0%)
    Total votes = 2368

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    Link just says, "Page not found..."

    Have another link?
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    Voted...

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    Try this link: Student group pushes for right to carry concealed weapons on campus | Philadelphia Inquirer | 03/01/2008

    Do you support allowing students to carry concealed guns on campus?

    Yes 73.1% 1758
    No 26.9% 648

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    Voted

    Yes 1757 (73.1%)

    No 646 (26.9%)

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    voted.

    73% yes
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    Voted yes.

    The comments show that the paper is anti-gun. There are many commenters who claim thier posts were censored by the mods there. The poll tells the real story.

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    I found Chief Healy's coments the most distastfull. My E-mail to shealyATprinceton.edu.

    Chief Healy,

    In a Philadelphia Inquirer article: Student Group
    Pushes for Right to Carry Concealed Weapons on Campus
    from March 1st, 2008 you are quoted as saying "I would
    dispute anyone who says there's evidence to suggest
    that having students carrying guns on campus make our
    campuses safer,".

    Before concealed handgun laws were passed throughout
    the United States, opponents claimed that such laws
    would turn disputes over parking spaces and traffic
    accidents into shootings. This did not prove to be the
    case. The same responsible adults--age twenty-one and
    above--now asking to be allowed to carry their
    concealed handguns on college campuses are already
    allowed to do so virtually everywhere else they
    go--office buildings, shopping malls, movie theaters,
    grocery stores, banks, etc.

    They clearly do not let their emotions get the better
    of them in other environments; therefore, no less
    should be expected of them on college campuses. In
    most states CHL/CCW holders have been educated and
    tested on both the basic rules of gun safety and the
    laws pertaining to carrying a concealed handgun,
    threatening to use deadly force, and using deadly
    force. They have also passed proficiency (shooting)
    test at a firing range.

    Since the fall semester of 2006, state law in Utah has
    allowed licensed individuals to carry concealed
    handguns on the campuses of all public colleges. Also,
    concealed carry has been allowed for several years at
    both Colorado State University (Fort Collins, CO) and
    Blue Ridge Community College (Weyers Cave, VA). This
    has yet to result in a single act of violence at any
    of these schools. Numerous studies, including studies
    by University of Maryland senior research scientist
    John Lott, University of Georgia professor David
    Mustard, engineering statistician William Sturdevant,
    and various state agencies, show that concealed
    handgun license holders are five times less likely
    than non-license holders to be arrested for violent
    crimes.

    College students can already legally purchase
    firearms, and every state that provides for legalized
    concealed carry has statutes prohibiting license
    holders from carrying while under the influence.
    Legalizing concealed carry on college campuses would
    neither put guns into the hands of more college
    students nor make it legal for a person to carry a
    firearm while under the influence.

    What is worse than allowing an execution-style
    massacre to continue uncontested?

    How can any reasonable action with the potential to
    stop or slow a deranged killer intent on slaughtering
    victim after victim be considered 'worse' than
    allowing that killer to continue undeterred?

    Citizens with concealed handgun licenses are not
    vigilantes. They carry their concealed handguns as a
    means of getting themselves out of harm's way, not as
    an excuse to go chasing after bad guys. Whereas police
    shooting statistics involve scenarios such as pursuits
    down dark alleys and armed standoffs with assailants
    barricaded inside buildings, most civilian shootings
    happen at pointblank range. In the Luby's Cafeteria
    massacre, the Columbine High School massacre, and the
    Virginia Tech massacre, the assailants moved slowly
    and methodically, shooting their victims from
    pointblank range. A person doesn't have to be a
    deadeye shot to defend himself or herself against an
    assailant standing only a few feet away. It is highly
    unlikely that an exchange of gunfire between an armed
    citizen and a deranged killer would lead to more lives
    lost than would simply allowing an onslaught of
    execution-style murders to continue unchecked.
    Contrary to what the movies might have us believe,
    most real-world shootouts last less than ten seconds.
    Even the real Gunfight at the O.K. Corral, a shootout
    involving nine armed participants, lasted only about
    thirty seconds and ended with only three of the
    participants being killed. It is unlikely that an
    exchange of gunfire between an armed assailant and an
    armed citizen would last more than a couple of seconds
    before one or both parties were disabled. And if the
    assailant were disabled, he would be unable to do any
    more harm.

    Most significantly for your state of New Jersey you
    all suffer under some of the most draconian gun
    restrictions ever inflicted on U.S. citizens. I would
    dispute anyone who says there's evidence to suggest
    that having had these restictions in place in N.J. has
    done one thing to reduce crime. To the contrary N.J.'s
    resrtictions cause crime. To quote Thomas Jefferson:

    "False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a
    thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling
    inconvenience; that would take fire from men because
    it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that
    has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws
    that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a
    nature. They disarm only those who are neither
    inclined nor determined to commit crime."

    Even the CDC cannot bolster your position.

    First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of
    Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws
    Findings from the Task Force on Community Preventive
    Services

    Summary

    During 2000--2002, the Task Force on Community
    Preventive Services (the Task Force), an independent
    nonfederal task force, conducted a systematic review
    of scientific evidence regarding the effectiveness of
    firearms laws in preventing violence, including
    violent crimes, suicide, and unintentional injury. The
    following laws were evaluated: bans on specified
    firearms or ammunition, restrictions on firearm
    acquisition, waiting periods for firearm acquisition,
    firearm registration and licensing of firearm owners,
    "shall issue" concealed weapon carry laws, child
    access prevention laws, zero tolerance laws for
    firearms in schools, and combinations of firearms
    laws. The Task Force found insufficient evidence to
    determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms
    laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent
    outcomes. This report briefly describes how the
    reviews were conducted, summarizes the Task Force
    findings, and provides information regarding needs for
    future research.
    First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws

    I leave you with a few more quotes.

    Respectfully, Jason M. Rogers

    "I lobbied against the law in 1993 and 1995 because I
    thought it would lead to wholesale armed conflict.
    That hasn't happened. All the horror stories I thought
    would come to pass didn't happen. No bogeyman. I think
    it's worked out well, and that says good things about
    the citizens who have permits. I'm a convert." --
    Glenn White, president of the Dallas Police
    Association, Dallas Morning News, 12/23/97

    "I ... [felt] that such legislation present[ed] a
    clear and present danger to law-abiding citizens by
    placing more handguns on our streets. Boy was I wrong.
    Our experience in Harris County, and indeed statewide,
    has proven my fears absolutely groundless." -- Harris
    County [Texas] District Attorney John Holmes, Dallas
    Morning News, 12/23/97

    "Some of the public safety concerns which we imagined
    or anticipated a couple of years ago, to our pleasant
    surprise, have been unfounded or mitigated." --
    Fairfax County, VA, Police Major Bill Brown,
    Alexandria Journal, 7/9/97

    "I was wrong. But I'm glad to say I was wrong." --
    Arlington County, VA, Police Detective Paul Larson,
    Alexandria Journal, 7/9/97

    "The concerns I had - with more guns on the street,
    folks may be more apt to square off against one
    another with weapons - we haven't experienced that."
    -- Charlotte-Mecklenburg, NC, Police Chief Dennis
    Nowicki, The News and Observer, 11/24/97

    "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it
    would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."
    -Dalai Lama

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