This is a discussion on About Obama within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; I don't really care much for any of our possible Presidential candidates and already knew that none of them are 'friends' of the Second Amendment. ...
March 5th, 2008 07:41 PM
I don't really care much for any of our possible Presidential candidates and already knew that none of them are 'friends' of the Second Amendment. I just thought this was worth passing along to my Brothers (yes, sisters too)-in-Arms:
On the NRA website:
Obama's Draconian Gun Control
I'll give the mainstream media this: They're consistent. They're consistently ignoring Barack Obama's statements that he "supports" the Second Amendment, and they're also consistently ignoring Senator Obama's repeated calls for the kind of gun control that would spell the end of the Second Amendment as we know it.
Back in 1999, Obama called for a laundry list of gun control, including a 500 percent increase in taxes on firearms and ammunition. He called for bans of affordable handguns. He called for mandated "smart gun" technology. He demanded that FFLs not be allowed to maintain their business within five miles of a school or a park. In short, he wanted to regulate the Second Amendment out of existence.
To my knowledge, not one reporter has asked Obama about the positions he took back then. Nor have they asked him about the position he's taking now, "supporting" the Second Amendment in speeches while refusing to sign on to the congressional amicus brief opposing the District of Columbia's gun ban. Fifty-five of his fellow senators signed on to that brief, but Obama still pretends the issue is about "local control," not constitutional rights.
When the mainstream media refuses to ask a presidential frontrunner about his position on an issue, you can't help but wonder why. When the issue is the Second Amendment, it can't be because the press doesn't like what Obama has to say. Maybe it's just that they don't want you to hear it.
March 5th, 2008 08:18 PM
I'm not sure, but this thread might be toeing the line as far as the forum rules go. That said, I have an answer for anyone that asks about X being the future president and what I think....my wife just gave me the green light to get an LWRC SRT!!!!!!!!!! It cost me a kitchen remodel though, so I'm not really sure who won.....
But between that and the ammo I am going to start stocking up, I should be good to go for awhile.
I don't really see there being a major, immediate shift in policy. At worst we have to hold out for 4 (or 8 if we are really unlucky) years. And as hard as the anti-defense crowd fights, we fight even harder. Hopefully it will be enough. And hopefully Heller vs DC hits the books as a big win for personal freedom.
Last edited by lacrosse50; March 5th, 2008 at 08:20 PM.
Reason: so excited that I didn't type it all...SRT!!! Woot!!!
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March 5th, 2008 08:29 PM
Note to self. Spend summer earnings on ammo and guns that could become outlawed. Thanks for the heads up. Seriously though I don't think he is going to be able to put any of those into place. Maybe a few that will make it more of a pain to make a purchase but he is really going to have to fight to get those in place and I just don't see anywhere that he is that passionate about getting rid of guns. Ofcourse like you said there might be a reason no one is asking questions.
March 5th, 2008 08:42 PM
Yes an anti gun president can be no friend to our way of thinking and our 2nd amendment rights, but he cannot act alone. Congress must be onboard with him. Remember what NRA also stands for
Never Re elected Again. In other words Congressional politicians would be commiting political suicide and they know it. I think State anti gun legeslation is far more dangerous. Look at California, New York Mass ect.
Why do I carry a Gun? Because I can't carry a Cop
March 5th, 2008 08:48 PM
Interesting read. I have had this discussion on another forum. and the general feeling was that most dems arent as concerned with 2A issues as they are with others, ie, the economy, etc, therefore it isnt surfacing as much. Well, not until hes is outright asked about something like the NIU shootings, where he made his statements of only police and military should have guns, or some such. I am positive though, that it should surface during the presidential race.
Passionate? naw, maybe as an undercurrent. He has done some legislating with some anti gun groups, and he does want to ban CCW nationally.
Originally Posted by weazel
Im hoping McCain takes advantage of this and rips him some.
Anyway, just my 0.02 cents.
March 5th, 2008 08:48 PM
Another candidate's position
Not all the Presidential candidates take this position on the Second Amendment. Here is a link to John McCain's position on his website:
John McCain position on Second Amendment
John McCain believes that the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is a fundamental, individual Constitutional right that we have a sacred duty to protect. We have a responsibility to ensure that criminals who violate the law are prosecuted to the fullest, rather than restricting the rights of law abiding citizens. Gun control is a proven failure in fighting crime. Law abiding citizens should not be asked to give up their rights because of criminals - criminals who ignore gun control laws anyway.
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the Peoples' Liberty's Teeth." - George Washington
March 5th, 2008 08:57 PM
Unfortunately there is more to McCain's views on gun ownership than meets the eye. Also, McCain got the big 'Thumbs-Down' from the GOA:
GOA's Take On John McCain
GOA On John McCain's Record
McCain wants voters to believe that he has to be the choice of conservatives. To that, GOA says:
McCain? No Way!
GOA Ratings For John McCain
March 5th, 2008 09:02 PM
March 5th, 2008 09:10 PM
there are still 2 candidates running for the Rep. nomination.
One of them thinks he has it in the bag.
The other one actually understands how the delegate process works, and is shooting for a massive "upset" (at least for the media) come September.
Said second individual also happens to be more pro-2A than any other, with various endorsements from Gun Rights groups that are easily found through a simple search.
If you think he can't win, just research the delegate process.
The delegates are real people, with real opinions and views, and contrary to what they say on TV, the majority of them are not bound to vote for any particular candidate.
May I suggest that those who's primaries are coming up, research this other candidate.
It's all a dog and pony show until September.
Vote for the Constitution. Nothing more, nothing less.
And, just in case the Mods were wondering...
This post was about the Second Amendment, and how I long for a Keltec Pf-9 for my deep concealment needs.
Is $320 too much?
Half measures availed us nothing...
March 5th, 2008 09:14 PM
I just read everything the GOA had to say on McCain. I thought that kind of non-informative, fear based, propoganda drivel only came from the Brady Bunch and the Leftist Media...Unfortunately, I was wrong.
And J Plum, Huckabee dropped out today. McCain is the Republican nominee.
And of the 3 choices left in the running, McCain is the strongest on the 2A, and he will appoint the more conservative judges than the Dem's will. Imagine how much scarier DC vs Heller could be if we had 2-3 more liberals as Supreme Court Justices...
March 5th, 2008 09:40 PM
I have a feeling he was referring to Ron Paul, or maybe he hadn't heard of Huckabee's withdrawal.
Originally Posted by Kerbouchard
But in the end the way the delegate process works isn't how we decide we want it to at the last minute, McCain got enough delegates, there is no possible upset, and there was no possible upset by Huckabee, we might like to think there had been, but mathematically it just was seriously impossible.
March 5th, 2008 10:05 PM
I just figured that since I was posting something from the NRA, (and later the Gun Owners Assoc.) it was fair game. Really wasn't trying to 'stir the pot'.
I'm no newbie to firearm forums, but I AM a newcomer to this particular forum. So if I was wrong in starting this thread, then I have no problem with it being deleted. I'll leave it to the boss to nix it.
March 5th, 2008 10:11 PM
As QK said before, keep the comments 2A and firearm related and it will be fine.
Originally Posted by Vtxdpm
The only thing that stops bad guys with guns is good guys with guns. SgtD
March 5th, 2008 10:18 PM
I think what the presidential candidates take as positions on guns is quite irrelevant. First, because the US Supreme Court is going to finally tell us what the rules really are. Individual right, or not? Second, they will likely tell us that even if it is an individual right, that it is a right that is not without bounds that government can restrict; e.g., you can't yell fire in a theater, you can't legally own a bazooka.
So, the Supreme Court will tell us the boundaries and perhaps Congress will legislate within those boundaries, perhaps not.
I'd worry more about how states and certain cities will react to whatever limits the court allows. And I'd worry about creative workarounds such as legislation on serializing ammo. None of that will come from a president no matter which party. They will be too busy with the real issues of the economy and international relations to concern themselves with gun issues.
March 5th, 2008 10:22 PM
Ideas like this always burn me up!!! They try to make it out like it is a porno store, "Don't let the kiddies see the guns, it might make them deranged!"
He demanded that FFLs not be allowed to maintain their business within five miles of a school or a park.
You have to admit that the anti-gunners are pretty good at portraying guns as "evil", don't they! Like the mothers that carry around their kids, "You have guns around your children?"!!!
Guns ain't porno!!!
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