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    Boy Punished for T-Shirt With Gun Image (Merged)

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    The family of a middle school student who was given detention for wearing a T-shirt bearing the image of a gun has filed a federal freedom of speech lawsuit against the school district.

    Donald Miller III, 14, went to Penn Manor High School in December wearing a T-shirt he said was intended to honor his uncle, a U.S. Army soldier fighting in Iraq.

    The shirt bears the image of a military sidearm and on the front pocket says "Volunteer Homeland Security." On the back, over another image of the weapon, are the words "Special issue Resident Lifetime License _ United States Terrorist Hunting Permit _ Permit No. 91101 _ Gun Owner _ No Bag Limit."

    Officials at the Millersville school told him to turn his shirt inside out. When Miller refused, he got two days of detention.

    His parents, Donald and Tina Miller of Holtwood, have accused the Penn Manor School District in a lawsuit of violating their son's First Amendment rights with a "vague Orwellian policy" that stifles both patriotism and free speech.

    But an attorney for the school district said school must create a safe environment for students in the post-Columbine era, and bringing even the image of a gun to school violates the district's policy.

    "There's a much higher level of sensitivity these days," Penn Manor attorney Kevin French said. "But it's based on reality."

    The lawsuit was filed in January. A federal judge will hold a conference on the case March 31.
    The 2nd Amendment secures the rest. Stories like these should make us wary that as the foundation of the 2nd is being eroded away, restrictions on our other freedoms will soon follow.
    The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented on his wearing his sidearm. 'Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are you expecting trouble?' 'No Ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would have brought my rifle.'


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    Frivolous lawsuits...gotta love 'em.
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    Thats funny....
    I ran into a Special Forces Sgt whos kid got suspended or sent home for drawing pictures of helicoptors and war.

    When the teacher, in Maryland of all places, asked the kid why he did it. The kid reponded....
    "When I grow up I want to jump out of helicoptors and shot bad people with my dad"

    IIRC the kid got sent home...The dad went to the principals office and if I recall correctly the conversation was somewhat along these lines....which included alot of four letter alphabet words.

    SF guy-So you sent my kid home cause you think I have a dishonorable profession? And he wants to be like me when I grow up.

    The rest of the yelling and screaming you can fill in the blank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerbouchard View Post
    Frivolous lawsuits...gotta love 'em.
    I wish more parents would start doing this. This 0 tolerance
    stuff in schools is really starting to make me sick.
    Can't play tag, can't play dodge ball, can't have a butter knife, can't even draw a picture of a gun. Where does it end?

    heck I remember taking some old WWII rifles my granddad had into school for show and tell one time. The way things are now that would have got me kicked out of school for life.
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    Our modern education system is nothing more than a huge babysitting center.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob99VMI04 View Post
    in Maryland of all places....
    No surprise there, for me.

    One of the main reasons I moved back to the mountains as soon as I retired.

    Check out GoA's rating of Maryland's Congressmen -- 1 NR, 1 A+, 1 D-, 2 F's and the rest are F-


    The Senators are F and F-

    BTW -- guess who the one A+ represents:

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    I've loaned out my travel guide. Anyone have Maryland Gun Friendly score handy?
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    im realy begining to tire of all the stupidity permeating the modern "educational" system. can't do a report on the ineffectiveness of a law without getting permission from the dean, principal, et al, can't draw a picture of a gun, can't hold a debate, about the only thing that lets the kids even see any civic virtue is the requirement some schools have of community service in order to graduate.
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    Boy punished for T-shirt with gun image

    Oh no! That teeshirt might shoot somebody!

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    Mon Mar 10, 1:29 PM ET

    LANCASTER, Pa. - The family of a middle school student who was given detention for wearing a T-shirt bearing the image of a gun has filed a federal freedom of speech lawsuit against the school district.

    Donald Miller III, 14, went to Penn Manor High School in December wearing a T-shirt he said was intended to honor his uncle, a U.S. Army soldier fighting in Iraq.

    The shirt bears the image of a military sidearm and on the front pocket says "Volunteer Homeland Security." On the back, over another image of the weapon, are the words "Special issue Resident Lifetime License — United States Terrorist Hunting Permit — Permit No. 91101 — Gun Owner — No Bag Limit."

    Officials at the Millersville school told him to turn his shirt inside out. When Miller refused, he got two days of detention.

    His parents, Donald and Tina Miller of Holtwood, have accused the Penn Manor School District in a lawsuit of violating their son's First Amendment rights with a "vague Orwellian policy" that stifles both patriotism and free speech.

    But an attorney for the school district said school must create a safe environment for students in the post-Columbine era, and bringing even the image of a gun to school violates the district's policy.

    "There's a much higher level of sensitivity these days," Penn Manor attorney Kevin French said. "But it's based on reality."

    The lawsuit was filed in January. A federal judge will hold a conference on the case March 31.

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    What reality that a gun on a shirt can come out and harm someone?
    Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.

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    Can anyone say politically correct BS.
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    I remember when I was in High School, every once in a while I used to wear a heavy metal t-shirt. I had two teachers who disapproved and made it clear that they did like me wearing them. There was nothing offensive on the shirts, but the teachers said it promoted anti-social behavior and satanism. They pull me aside and try to straighten me out but I would just argue with them. Well, one day I was told to go the counselors office, so I did and the lady said I had problems for listening to heavy metal music. Nevermind that she couldn't tell me specifically what was wrong with me. But she called my parents to discuss the issue. My dad was at work but my mom showed up and she tore into them. After 10 minutes of my mom chewing her out the counselor apologized. There was no basis for the teachers remarks, after all I was an honor student and had near perfect attendance.

    There was also another time a few years before when the teacher was discussing the Vietnam War and said that all soldiers that fought in Vietnam were baby-killers. This didn't settle well with me being that my father served in Vietnam. Of course I argued the point. I ended up walking out of the classroom and later the teacher apologized.

    I learned a long time ago that school and some teachers can be very stupid and seem to lack commen sense.

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    But an attorney for the school district said school must create a safe environment for students in the post-Columbine era, and bringing even the image of a gun to school violates the district's policy.

    "There's a much higher level of sensitivity these days," Penn Manor attorney Kevin French said. "But it's based on reality."
    How does a t-shirt create an "unsafe" environment? They need to take these things in context. I could see a shirt with guns, drugs, and money on it being disruptive, but this is more a military shirt. What if the kid wore a shirt that said "ban all guns" with a picture of a gun w/ the ban symbol? Would the school district even know what to do with that?

    And what "reality" is this French guy living in?

    I hope the parents go ape on the school district.
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    My wife is a H.S. teacher. I hear about this kind of crap every day.

    When I was a kid, when my parents told me "I could do anything I wanted to do.", it meant something different than today. It meant if I apply myself and work hard, that I could achieve anything. When the majority of these half-wit parents who shouldn't be allowed to breed tell their kids that "they can do anything", it means that they can do anything, and anybody telling them differently is wrong.

    Schools can enforce dress codes, they can enforce uniforms, they can even, parish the thought, enforce a suppresion of the students 1st admendment rights. Who would of thought that a teacher can tell a student that his opinion is not needed and to sit down and pay attention to the lecture? I know, it's insane, these students should be able to say whatever they want, dress however they want, and act however they want, because, "dats mah rites, man, and yous jus' tryin' to keep me down." Get real.

    If I acted like these kids were acting when I was in school I wouldn't be able to sit down for a week...

    I know, it's crazy for schools to try to instill responsibility into these students. I interview people for postitions that show up wearing ripped jeans, earings, and t-shirts that have a 'statement'...They hardly make it in the front door.

    If you don't think that's fair, well, that doesn't really bother me, but I don't want some punk kid with an agenda, no matter what it is, turning off any of my clients.

    If this kid would of showed up with a T-Shirt that said "Life is full of important choices." and then on the back it showed various kinds of marijuana, then you wouldn't be talking about stifling his free speach. It's inappropriate...period. And, yeah, I had that T-shirt...but I wouldn't dream of wearing it to school.

    And when I was young and knew everything, I wore a T-shirt that had half a Malcom X signal, and half a Confederate Flag, with the middle blurred, and the caption said "melting lines"...The school tried to make me turn it inside out...I went home for a 3 day suspension instead. There are battles worth fighting, but I would never try to sue over it, and the teachers have a hard enough time trying to teach these punk kids, without worrying about unneeded distractions.

    And, yeah, I walked to school in the snow, uphill...both ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerbouchard View Post
    My wife is a H.S. teacher. I hear about this kind of crap every day.

    When I was a kid, when my parents told me "I could do anything I wanted to do.", it meant something different than today. It meant if I apply myself and work hard, that I could achieve anything. When the majority of these half-wit parents who shouldn't be allowed to breed tell their kids that "they can do anything", it means that they can do anything, and anybody telling them differently is wrong.

    Schools can enforce dress codes, they can enforce uniforms, they can even, parish the thought, enforce a suppresion of the students 1st admendment rights. Who would of thought that a teacher can tell a student that his opinion is not needed and to sit down and pay attention to the lecture? I know, it's insane, these students should be able to say whatever they want, dress however they want, and act however they want, because, "dats mah rites, man, and yous jus' tryin' to keep me down." Get real.

    If I acted like these kids were acting when I was in school I wouldn't be able to sit down for a week...

    I know, it's crazy for schools to try to instill responsibility into these students. I interview people for postitions that show up wearing ripped jeans, earings, and t-shirts that have a 'statement'...They hardly make it in the front door.

    If you don't think that's fair, well, that doesn't really bother me, but I don't want some punk kid with an agenda, no matter what it is, turning off any of my clients.

    If this kid would of showed up with a T-Shirt that said "Life is full of important choices." and then on the back it showed various kinds of marijuana, then you wouldn't be talking about stifling his free speach. It's inappropriate...period. And, yeah, I had that T-shirt...but I wouldn't dream of wearing it to school.

    And when I was young and knew everything, I wore a T-shirt that had half a Malcom X signal, and half a Confederate Flag, with the middle blurred, and the caption said "melting lines"...The school tried to make me turn it inside out...I went home for a 3 day suspension instead. There are battles worth fighting, but I would never try to sue over it, and the teachers have a hard enough time trying to teach these punk kids, without worrying about unneeded distractions.

    And, yeah, I walked to school in the snow, uphill...both ways.
    Interesting,....I'm a manager of a shop. Last shop i worked at,...The best guy I've ever hired wears an earring when hes off,(forgets and wears it coming into work too,lol.)and typically is found in a torn shirt,...WHy is his shirt usually torn? OH, I forgot to mention. I manage an auto shop. Hes always working on his/his friends cars and usually gets it snagged on something. Hes a "punk kid" yet he sells more than ANYBODY else in the shop,and customers ask for him by name when they come in because they love him.He does the best work,and usually doesn't take all day to get it done,...Lemme tell ya I regret that hiring decision (/sarcasm.). This kids tshirt puts NOBODY in danger. Period. Its pro-america,supporting the country his living in. Its not like he showed in a "viva jihad" or "I like to blow up buidings" , "I kill infendels" or a large swastica on a red tshirt,...Its a patriotic shirt supporting our armed troops. I fail to see how this is an unneeded distraction,its a shirt! I can understand if it has curse words on it,or giant genitalia or "I hate (enter race group here) " or something highly offensive,...Get real gramps, its called freedom. Liberty or death. None of this halfway crap. I'm so sick and tired of the lines of freedom and our actual rights being blurred ever so slightly,more and more,never failing to take a little more and a little more off....(No tolerance, now he can't wear a pro-USA shirt,what next?)

    This country is in a sad state when your not allowed to wearing clothing supporting it.

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