This is a discussion on DC wants to see if your house is "Safe" : MERGED within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; I have heard about these types of programs in other cities. If I remember correctly one of the police depratments in the DFW area has ...
I have heard about these types of programs in other cities. If I remember correctly one of the police depratments in the DFW area has done this. It was actually a great idea. It is like getting a free pass from stupid criminals to catch them. You see the program I saw did not offer amnesty. The cops went to areas of high crime and went door to door politely asking if they could search the premisis. The stuff they found was both amazing and amusing.
I am not thinking in my area that it was a means of compiling a list of suspicious people that would need to be revisited on a later date. I do think it is a waste of resources the way they propose in that article. If the parents want that, let them call. If they think the parents are too scared to call on their own, then advertise that the police are offering this service free and with the amnesty.
Here is the real question. Cop shows at door. Parent of gang-banger answers and lets them in because they don't have control. Police find drugs, guns and other illegal contraband. There is amnesty for this visit. Now they have a reliable source letting them know that there is a drug dealer/weapons violater at that address. Any time in the future they wish to arrive with a warrant they would have probable cause in my book.
But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself...
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You can search mine if I can search yours.
"If we loose Freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the Last Place on Earth!" Ronald Reagan
That though is not the case here.
This will be police entering ones neighborhood and as stated going door to door in cop clothing as a group making inquiry if they can enter ones residence under the premise and for the purpose of assessing their residence for possession of select unlawful items.
Many people do not watch the news. Others out right fear the po-po to a degree that they will do whatever they ask/suggest/state. They will open their doors and give verbal approval to enter and subject themselves to search waiving their rights toward refusal. This happens all the time on the street in folks cars and when the cops knock at folks doors (!) for what ever reason.
The DC police and mayor know this and by offering 'amnesty' for items found they get a chance to skate one time but guess who gets an entry in their database of items collected and from where toward illegal property collection? Yep.
Also I'll bet they go door to door using census info to know who is at where and to tabulate participants against non-participants et.al. I'd bet there will be an interview involved to which the participants will be asked about the activities and whereabouts of the non-participatory neighbors.
This on the surface comes off as being benign and a win win for parents who otherwise assumedly have lost total control of their own homes in relation to their children and those who share space with them.
On the other hand where does it lead to for those same participants down the road, and for their neighbors who this time choose to opt out.
In fact a parent allowing them self to be searched as such under this pretense though the drugs and guns found may be ignored under amnesty, there are other laws and crimes applicable that are not covered by amnesty such as; contribution to the delinquency of a child and failure to provide a safe home to which by law DSS are required to be notified by guess who, the police (!). As well the children can and likely will be interviewed themselves about life and living in their home and community, and how is mom or dad doing at their job of being provider. See where that can go?...
Chief of police Cathy L. Lanier said "this is aimed at people who want to cooperate with the police" Simple logic would then dictate that in LE mind people who do not consent to a search must not want to cooperate with the police. We all know how people who are thought to be uncoopertive with the police are thought of by LE.
When I'm at home, my house is safe for all who are invited.
Allowing the police to enter and search the home is voluntary. That means that the gang bangers and dope dealers know who to blame if the police are allowed in. So who will get the blame and face the repercussions? Mom and dad!!!
This is one of the reasons that this type of thing has failed in other cities. If mom and dad are so afraid of their child that they can't handle him or her; and amnesty means that the little darling will not be charged or sent away why then would they let them in?
We will be much better off when we learn to deal with things as they really are, instead of how we wish them to be!
Even those in the anti states are not having their 'rights' infringed upon by the Federal government. They have the 'right' to move to another state!
As to the upcoming election, we have elected very bad Presidents in the past: Carter/Clinton/Grant/Taylor are among the worst. Our nation survived. We have even survived the socialist ideals of FDR. We will survive the upcoming presidential debacle whether it be Clinton, Obama, or McCain. Let's never forget that we have Congressional elections, which are even more important than the presidential election this time around.
Back to topic, certainly the DC policy of helping the community does nothing to limit anyone's rights. It is a voluntary program! Nazi Germany, indeed.
My question is are they knocking saying that they are looking for weapons or drugs or are they knocking saying they are there for a "Safety Inspection."
A safety inspection can mean very many things, and I would never associate that with firearms.
Can they outright lie to get inside?
Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.
I would think that the police would be better utilized combating the huge crime rate in DC.
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence in their behalf. - George Orwell
I think DC residents should start showing up at police stations and other government offices to conduct "safety checks".
I wonder how much cooperation they would get?
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Blame it on Sixto - now that is a viable plan.
Since when are the Police, whom are sworn to enforce the law, allowed to declare amnesty? They don't write laws they just enforce them. How can they, even if voluntary and momentary, suspend the laws as written. I don't think its appropriate for them to decide they can just ignore the law when they find a violation of the law in ANY circumstance. Finding illegal drugs or any other illegal activity no matter how they are allowed in, as long as legal entry is adhered too requires enforcement. They can't just decide to suspend that. This program makes their actions illegal when they do that. I don't get it. Under what legal justification do they have to suspend law enforcement? Who is authorizing this action? Or non action I should say? Did congress authorize it? I gotta wonder if this program is even legal. And since they are ignoring the law when they find it are the derelict in their duties when that occurs?