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    What will DC think of next to help out
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    No Way ! Notes will be taken for sure ! Stay away ! You can come in when I call you for help or when you have a warrant that's it.I obey the law so there's
    no probable cause !

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    Quote Originally Posted by cphilip View Post
    Since when are the Police, whom are sworn to enforce the law, allowed to declare amnesty? They don't write laws they just enforce them. How can they, even if voluntary and momentary, suspend the laws as written. I don't think its appropriate for them to decide they can just ignore the law when they find a violation of the law in ANY circumstance. Finding illegal drugs or any other illegal activity no matter how they are allowed in, as long as legal entry is adhered too requires enforcement. They can't just decide to suspend that. This program makes their actions illegal when they do that. I don't get it. Under what legal justification do they have to suspend law enforcement? Who is authorizing this action? Or non action I should say? Did congress authorize it? I gotta wonder if this program is even legal. And since they are ignoring the law when they find it are the derelict in their duties when that occurs?
    I think the reason for the amnesty is that the ends justify the means. The goal, of course, is to get guns out of the hands of criminals and thugs. I'm sure we can all agree that is a worthwhile goal.

    As to whether it is legal, police officers always have professional discretion. For example, they can pull you over for speeding and simply give you a warning rather than give you a ticket. Or they might ignore the violation completely.

    I think the amnesty part of the program is an important aspect. Some parents would not turn in their children if they knew they would be arrested. This way, the contraband can be confiscated and a dialog opened. And it is much better going door to door than asking parents of thugs to call the police. It provides an out for the parents since they did not initiate the voluntary search.

    As for those too ignorant to understand their right [to say no,] then I would advise that with rights come responsibility. At very least, the responsibility to know what your rights are.

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    IIRC, it is a criminal offense for a sworn MPD (DC police) officer to fail to act on a crime.

    And finding a gun or drugs in the home is certainly (under DC's horrible laws), prima facia evidence of a crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    Actually, the atrocities in Germany were committed suddenly, not after a long train of abuses. Guns were confiscated from the Jews just a few weeks before Kristalnacht. The idea that the greatest nation on Earth, the United States of Amernca, is in any way comparable to Nazi Germany is an embarrassment to anone making that analogy.
    The Wannsee Conference, in which die Endlosung was formulated, did not take place until late in 1942. Yes, the Enabling Act passed quickly...but as awful as Kristallnacht was, it paled in comparison to what was to come. I'd prefer to abort the Kristallnachts at their onset, than try to stop the Final Solution eight years later, disarmed and helpless. OMO, YMMV.

    Germany was the land of Bach, Beethoven, Schiller, Goethe, etc.... I agree that the United States is the greatest nation on earth, but there has always been one such nation throughout the history of the world. To state that something awful cannot happen here, just because we are "the best that has ever been," is not a thought treated very well by a reading of history. I choose not to characterize that notion as embarrassing, but rather as realistic. Again, YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falcon1 View Post
    The Wannsee Conference, in which die Endlosung was formulated, did not take place until late in 1942. Yes, the Enabling Act passed quickly...but as awful as Kristallnacht was, it paled in comparison to what was to come. I'd prefer to abort the Kristallnachts at their onset, than try to stop the Final Solution eight years later, disarmed and helpless. OMO, YMMV.
    That is my point. We have not confiscated firearms (on a national level.) And there has never been a hint of firearm confiscation to control the public. Most importantly, we have never had anything resembling Kristallnacht. It is important to be vigilant but it is wrong to think we are headed down the path or should be remotely compared with Nazi Germany.

    If a governmental coup like Kristallnacht ever occurs in the United States it will never be met as with the subordination of the Jews in Germany. We have not only learned from our own history, we have learned from the history of other nations, as well. The comparison with Nazi German fails in another way. The general public was not affected by oppressive government policies, only well delineated minorities.

    Germany was the land of Bach, Beethoven, Schiller, Goethe, etc.... I agree that the United States is the greatest nation on earth, but there has always been one such nation throughout the history of the world. To state that something awful cannot happen here, just because we are "the best that has ever been," is not a thought treated very well by a reading of history. I choose not to characterize that notion as embarrassing, but rather as realistic. Again, YMMV.
    I certainly understand that great societies have failed. We know the reasons for some and some societal failures remain a complete mystery. All because we are the greatest nation with the best government does not mean we cannot fail. In fact, with the combination of socialistic programs (SS, Medicare...) and the weakness liberals demonstrate concerning our dangerous enemies, the great experiment begun over two hundred years ago can definitely fail.

    Still, there is virtually no chance this failure will come from within. We can put ourselves in danger from foreign enemies, but our government is set up to practically render any threat of governmental tyranny to be impotent. Don't like the current government? We elect people every two years.

    As long as the Constitution reigns, we are in no danger from our own government. As I have often written, reiterating the ideals of the Founders, we are the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    As long as the Constitution reigns, we are in no danger from our own government. As I have often written, reiterating the ideals of the Founders, we are the government.
    I will continue to hope that you are right, and that I worry needlessly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obxned View Post
    You can search mine if I can search yours.
    Thank you Obxned
    Starts off as a good idea. I don't know of anyone who would consent to this. Maybe for those being intimidated by the police if you know what I mean. There's nothing good that will come out of this.
    Thank you very much. You go back and get the warrant and I'll make a pot of coffee and wait for you. How sad. So many distractions that parents cant take care of there own kids? To be honest if I caught my kid doing anything that would cause unfavorable responses from the authorities, I'll put a boot in his a** and he knows it. We have already had a discussion to prepare him when he's older. He knows what to expect. If you go to jail, don't call me for bail money, just call and let me know you wont be home. If the mayor of DC thinks he can raise my kid better, then he can flip the bill college too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    That is my point. We have not confiscated firearms (on a national level.) And there has never been a hint of firearm confiscation to control the public. Most importantly, we have never had anything resembling Kristallnacht. It is important to be vigilant but it is wrong to think we are headed down the path or should be remotely compared with Nazi Germany.

    If a governmental coup like Kristallnacht ever occurs in the United States it will never be met as with the subordination of the Jews in Germany. We have not only learned from our own history, we have learned from the history of other nations, as well. The comparison with Nazi German fails in another way. The general public was not affected by oppressive government policies, only well delineated minorities.



    I certainly understand that great societies have failed. We know the reasons for some and some societal failures remain a complete mystery. All because we are the greatest nation with the best government does not mean we cannot fail. In fact, with the combination of socialistic programs (SS, Medicare...) and the weakness liberals demonstrate concerning our dangerous enemies, the great experiment begun over two hundred years ago can definitely fail.

    Still, there is virtually no chance this failure will come from within. We can put ourselves in danger from foreign enemies, but our government is set up to practically render any threat of governmental tyranny to be impotent. Don't like the current government? We elect people every two years.

    As long as the Constitution reigns, we are in no danger from our own government. As I have often written, reiterating the ideals of the Founders, we are the government.
    When you get a leak in the dam, it always starts off as a few drops.
    Then it escalates to England and Australia.
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    Take the gang banger leave the gun in the home. Now it's a "safe," house!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post

    As to whether it is legal, police officers always have professional discretion. For example, they can pull you over for speeding and simply give you a warning rather than give you a ticket. Or they might ignore the violation completely.
    A stated intent to not prosecute, no matter what is found, is not discretion. It's outright public announcement not to enforce the laws.

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    No one comes into my house without my consent. Period. I have ALWAYS been a law abiding tax paying citizen and there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER for the police to search my house. My guns are legally purchased and used for sport and protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    These types of comments are really disturbing. It is as if there is no knowledge of the atrocities committed under those regimes. If we are to objectively discuss these issues, please let us keep some rational perspective.
    BUT it did not start off with that. He came to power on a law and ordered platform. Start off with control of gun(must be left at hunting clubs, only certian ones allowed to own guns...) then control of people.
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    Can you believe this? DC is out of Control...

    The DC Mayor and Chief of Police are out of control...

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