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This is a discussion on Hunters For Gun Control? within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; AHSA ( American Hunters and Sportsman's Association ) is probably the one you are thinking about. GunGuys.com is anti-gun but they are funded to heckle ...

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    American Hunters and Sportsmen's Association

    AHSA (American Hunters and Sportsman's Association) is probably the one you are thinking about. GunGuys.com is anti-gun but they are funded to heckle us; whereas AHSA was created to give bogus endorsements to anti-gun political candidates.

    At election time, the American Hunters and Sportsman's Association will endorse Obama and/or Hillary, stating that they believe [whichever dem is running] is the best possible choice for gun owners.

    This allows very anti-gun candidates to recieve apparently "pro gun" endorsements. When the candidate is asked where they stand on 'guns', they can answer that AHSA gives them an A+ ... which is good enough for all the FUDD's out there who will probably vote for Obama, anyway.


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    This is the anti gunners legal strategy called "Wolf in Sheep's Clothing/ Trojan Horse"

    Same strategy used by other groups, for example, an unnamed cartoonphobic religion, to infiltrate solely for the purpose of destroying from within.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locopelli View Post
    This is the anti gunners legal strategy called "Wolf in Sheep's Clothing/ Trojan Horse"

    Same strategy used by other groups, for example, an unnamed cartoonphobic religion, to infiltrate solely for the purpose of destroying from within.
    So true it's scary!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lance22 View Post
    AHSA (American Hunters and Sportsman's Association) is probably the one you are thinking about. GunGuys.com is anti-gun but they are funded to heckle us; whereas AHSA was created to give bogus endorsements to anti-gun political candidates.

    At election time, the American Hunters and Sportsman's Association will endorse Obama and/or Hillary, stating that they believe [whichever dem is running] is the best possible choice for gun owners.

    This allows very anti-gun candidates to recieve apparently "pro gun" endorsements. When the candidate is asked where they stand on 'guns', they can answer that AHSA gives them an A+ ... which is good enough for all the FUDD's out there who will probably vote for Obama, anyway.
    I remember checking the whois on their site a long while back and found out that the address given was for DCS Online Communications, a lobby corporation specialized in left wing democrats including Edwards & Pelosi.

    I found the old thread on these people

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...ware-ahsa.html
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    Found DCS' list of clients as per their website:


    DCS Congressional - Our Clients
    Our Clients

    Congressional (Sample)

    Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
    Congressman John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI)
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    While these guys are obviously true antis posing as hunters & shooters, make no mistake about it, the divisiveness among real hunters and gun owners is a very real problem. I find this attitude most prevalent among shotgunners who only own shotguns for trap, skeet, clays and even hunting. A disturbing number of them have no problem with the gun-grabbers coming after our handguns or "black rifles" as they see no practical use for them and the grabbers aren't after their shotguns. In some ways, they're more difficult to discuss gun control with than a true anti as they don't seem to have a true opinion, they're just apathetic. I used to have this argument constantly with my ex-brother-in-law. He refused to join the NRA and just couldn't understand the need for an AR-15 or a handgun. In was only after he decided to start deer hunting and purchased a Remington 742 semi-auto that I was finally able to convince him that with just a change to the stock, his now beloved deer rifle was the dangerous "black rifle" that the antis were after. He finally joined NRA.

    This is one area where all of us who truly understand the goal of the antis - to do away with ALL guns - need to work on gun owners with this "they're not after my gun" attitude. If all firearm owners, not just firearm enthusiasts, would join the NRA, we would wield a political force that could not be ignored.

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    Do I agree with these people?? Certainly not...but I do see the type of people they are targeting and where they're coming from. These guys are traditional hunters...generations old. I was one of them. When they're walking through the woods and see a guy sitting up on a deer stand with an AR-15, it just plain looks stupid. You're spoiling the scenery. You look like some kind of trigger happy Rambo wannabe. They don't like it. I don't like it.

    On the other hand...I have absolutely no objection to owning an assault rifle for your own amusement or even HD, if you're so inclined. (I'd love to have a Sig 556.) But when you go trapesing off into the woods during hunting season with your AK over your shoulder you're ruining the traditional feeling for them. That's why they hate black rifles, and that's why these sleazy Brady types target them for help.
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    This group has made me decide to use my DPMS LRT-SASS for deer season this year.
    ...He suggested that "every American citizen" should own a rifle and train with it on firing ranges "at every courthouse." -Chesty Puller

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    As a teen, I went deer hunting in Vermont with an HK 91. Yes, I got some strange looks from the "old timers..."
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SammyIamToday View Post
    This group has made me decide to use my DPMS LRT-SASS for deer season this year.
    Great...Be sure to clean it with your Ka-bar 1271 Black fighter while you're at it.
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    I deer hunt with my FAL
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgrass101 View Post
    I deer hunt with my FAL
    A good scoped 270. would be far more accurate as well as help bring these people back on our side. Just my .02
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    I took my son deer hunting when he was 7 yrs. old. He was kinda small for his age, so I had trouble finding a gun he could comfortably and safely hold. With the colapsable stock on my M4, he could hold it very well. I made sure he could hit POA perfect. In practice he shot 10 rds. in a half inch group at 50 yards on a deer target, all in the center of the vitals. I had no problem with him hunting with it. Now he is 9, and he uses a compact ruger .308. If someone wants to hunt with an evil black rifle, I have no problem at all with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Cloud View Post
    A good scoped 270. would be far more accurate as well as help bring these people back on our side. Just my .02
    Why should we be worried about "bringing these people back on our side"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Crunch View Post
    Why should we be worried about "bringing these people back on our side"?
    The more gun owners working together the better, and less ammunition given to the Brady bunch has to be a good thing. These arn't people who are beyond redemption...only people with a different love of guns than our own.
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