South Carolinians--Help needed TODAY

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    South Carolinians--Help needed TODAY

    I received the following from Grassroots Gunrights of SC. Your phone calls and emails are urgently needed ASAP Wednesday morning.

    *** GrassRoots Action Alert ***

    H. 3212 STILL NEEDS YOUR HELP!

    "Thank you!" to all of you who emailed and called the senators representing your county just as we asked you to do yesterday in the GrassRoots GunRights Action Alert on H. 3212.

    Congratulations! Your voices were heard! But, ...

    There is both good news and bad news. And, you will need to take action once again if you want to protect your rights.

    First, the good news.

    Due to your emails and phone calls, the SC Senate amended H. 3212 again. The new amendment makes one important change - it deletes the mandate that other states must perform federal background checks to satisfy SC CWP reciprocity requirements. This change means SC should not lose any reciprocity agreements as we would have done if the Knotts/Anderson amendment had passed. But, we will not gain any states either.

    Now, the bad news.

    H. 3212 started out as CWP recognition bill, which means SC would recognize CWP permits from other states without need of a reciprocity agreement between SC and another state. This would have allowed SC CWP holders to carry in 30+ states, including Georgia and Florida. But, unfortunately, the Senate changed H. 3212 into a CWP reciprocity bill instead of the CWP recognition bill that came out of the House, which means SC and another state must legally agree to honor each other's CWP before we can carry elsewhere.

    The Senate's amendments to H. 3212 have created new problems due to the Senate's not thinking of all the consequences of the changes they are making.

    If SC is going to remain a CWP reciprocity state instead of a CWP recognition state, then someone needs to be legally responsible for determining and entering into CWP reciprocity agreements with other states. Current law charges SLED with determining which states satisfy the requirements for CWP reciprocity. The Senate amendments to H. 3212 delete SLED's responsibility to do this. The Senate amendments also fail to legally charge anyone else with determining which states satisfy the CWP reciprocity requirements. This is a serious failing on the Senate's part.

    When no one is legally charged with doing something, that something does not get done. We can't get SLED to do a good job of keeping track of CWP reciprocity agreements now, even though SLED is legally charged with doing so. Imagine how bad things will get when no one is legally charged with doing this job. CWP reciprocity agreements will not get made if no one is legally charged with the responsibility of making them. The Senate needs to fix this problem they created.

    The Senate also failed to change the legal definition of a course of "training," which means that H. 3212 still requires both SC and other states to mandate an eight (8) hour minimum class to satisfy CWP reciprocity requirements. Thus, the Senate changes - or failures to make changes - can not increase the number of states eligible for reciprocity with SC.

    As last amended on Tuesday, March 18, H. 3212 now only restates existing CWP law - but with one very important difference. Instead of saying a CWP reciprocity agreement can only be entered into with a state which has CWP issuance standards equal to or greater than SC standards (which are an 8 hour class, state and federal fingerprint review, and local background check), H. 3212 would change the law to now say a CWP reciprocity agreement can only be entered into with a state which has CWP issuance standards that require an 8 hour class, state and federal fingerprint review, and local background check. As you can see, this is exactly the same thing. So, why bother to make such a worthless change?

    As pointed out in the GrassRoots Action Alert yesterday, this worthless change is a necessary first step before changing the SC CWP law to require re-training every four years without also destroying all existing CWP reciprocity agreements. There is no other reason for making these worthless changes proposed by the Senate. Make no mistake, the real reason for the Senate changes is to require CWP re-training in the future.

    BOTTOM LINE:

    As currently drafted and amended by the Senate, H. 3212 is worthless at best and is the first step towards CWP re-training every four years at worst.

    The Senate needs to amend H. 3212 back to the CWP recognition bill that came out of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and stop trying to turn H. 3212 into a CWP reciprocity bill.

    *** ACTION STEPS: ***

    1. Once again, CALL each Senator from your county first thing in the morning. Tell your senators to "Change H. 3212 back into the CWP recognition bill that came out of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Tell them "GrassRoots GunRights speaks for me!"

    2. Send EMAIL to each Senator from your county with message "GrassRoots GunRights speaks for me!" Cut and paste "GrassRoots
    GunRights speaks for me!" into both the subject line and the body of the text.

    3. Be sure this same message is delivered by emails and phone calls. Get your friends and family to do the same. Do it NOW because the Senate will be voting on H. 3212 on Wednesday, March 19.

    You will find the phone numbers and email addresses of each Senator in your county listed below.

    Thank you for doing your part as a gun rights activist!

    Bill Rentiers
    Executive Officer
    GrassRoots GunRights of SC
    ExecOfficer@SCFirearms.org
    803-233-9295

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    List of senators:

    Abbeville County
    Sen. John W. Drummond, District 10
    PTE@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6455
    Sen. William H. O'Dell, District 4
    WHO@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6040

    Aiken County
    Sen. W. Greg Ryberg, District 24
    SLC@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6320
    Sen. A. Shane Massey, District 25
    shanemassey@ scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6000
    Sen. Nikki G. Setzler, District 26
    NGS@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6140

    Allendale County
    Sen. C. Bradley Hutto, District 40
    CBH@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6140

    Anderson County
    Sen. Kevin L. Bryant, District 3
    BRYANTK@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6024
    Sen. William H. O'Dell, District 4
    WHO@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6040

    Bamberg County
    Sen. C. Bradley Hutto, District 40
    CBH@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6140
    Sen. John W. Matthews, Jr., District 39
    JWM@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6056

    Barnwell County
    Sen. C. Bradley Hutto , District 40
    CBH@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6140

    Beaufort County
    Sen. Catherine C. Ceips, District 46
    CEIPS@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6032
    Sen. Clementa C. Pinckney, District 45
    CCP@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6056

    Berkeley County
    Sen. Paul G. Campbell, Jr., District 44
    PaulCampbell@ scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6016
    Sen. George E. "Chip" Campsen III, District 43
    CAMPSEN@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6016
    Sen. Lawrence K. "Larry" Grooms, District 37
    STR@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6400

    Calhoun County
    Sen. John C. Land III, District 36
    JCL@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6180

    Charleston County
    Sen. George E. "Chip" Campsen III, District 43
    CAMPSEN@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6016
    Sen. Ray Cleary, District 34
    CLEARYR@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6100
    Sen. Robert Ford, District 42
    RIF@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6124
    Sen. Lawrence K. "Larry" Grooms, District 37
    STR@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6400
    Sen. Glenn F. McConnell, District 41
    SJU@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6610
    Sen. Clementa C. Pinckney, District 45
    CCP@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6056
    Sen. Randy Scott, District 38
    SCOTTR@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6024

    Cherokee County
    Sen. Harvey S. Peeler, Jr., District 14
    MED@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6430

    Chester County
    Sen. Linda H. Short, District 17
    LHS@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6148

    Chesterfield County
    Sen. Gerald Malloy, District 29
    MALLOYG@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6148
    Sen. Vincent A. Sheheen, District 27
    VS@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6124

    Clarendon County
    Sen. John C. Land III, District 36
    JCL@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6180

    Colleton County
    Sen. Lawrence K. "Larry" Grooms, District 37
    STR@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6400
    Sen. John W. Matthews, Jr., District 39
    JWM@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6056
    Sen. Clementa C. Pinckney, District 45
    CCP@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6056

    Darlington County
    Sen. Hugh K. Leatherman, Sr., District 31
    SFI@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6640
    Sen. Gerald Malloy, District 29
    MALLOYG@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6148

    Dillon County
    Sen. Dick Elliott, District 28
    DE@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6116
    Sen. Kent M. Williams, District 30
    WILLIAMSK@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6008

    Dorchester County
    Sen. Lawrence K. "Larry" Grooms, District 37
    STR@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6400
    Sen. John W. Matthews, Jr., District 39
    JWM@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6056
    Sen. Randy Scott, District 38
    SCOTTR@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6024

    Edgefield County
    Sen. A. Shane Massey, District 25
    shanemassey@ scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6000

    Fairfield County
    Sen. Linda H. Short, District 17
    LHS@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6148

    Florence County
    Sen. John C. Land III, District 36
    JCL@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6180
    Sen. Hugh K. Leatherman, Sr., District 31
    SFI@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6640
    Sen. J. Yancey McGill, District 32
    JYM@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6132
    Sen. Kent M. Williams, District 30
    WILLIAMSK@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6008

    Georgetown County
    Sen. Ray Cleary, District 34
    CLEARYR@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6100
    Sen. J. Yancey McGill, District 32
    JYM@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6132

    Greenville County
    Sen. Ralph Anderson, District 7
    RA@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6108
    Sen. Michael L. Fair, District 6
    FAIRM@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6420
    Sen. James H. "Jim" Ritchie, Jr., District 13
    JHR@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6032
    Sen. David L. Thomas, District 8
    SBI@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6240
    Sen. Lewis R. Vaughn, District 5
    LRV@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6100
    Sen. Daniel B. "Danny" Verdin III, District 9
    SAG@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6230

    Greenwood County
    Sen. John W. Drummond, District 10
    PTE@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6455
    Sen. William H. O'Dell, District 4
    WHO@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6040

    Hampton County
    Sen. John W. Matthews, Jr., District 39
    JWM@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6056
    Sen. Clementa C. Pinckney, District 45
    CCP@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6056

    Horry County
    Sen. Ray Cleary, District 34
    CLEARYR@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6100
    Sen. Dick Elliott, District 28
    DE@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6116
    Sen. J. Yancey McGill, District 32
    JYM@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6132
    Sen. Luke A. Rankin, District 33
    LR@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6132

    Jasper County
    Sen. Clementa C. Pinckney, District 45
    CCP@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6056

    Kershaw County
    Sen. Joel Lourie, District 22
    JBL@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6116
    Sen. Vincent A. Sheheen, District 27
    VS@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6124

    Lancaster County
    Sen. Chauncey K. Gregory, District 16
    SFG@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6330
    Sen. Vincent A. Sheheen, District 27
    VS@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6124

    Laurens County
    Sen. John W. Drummond, District 10
    PTE@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6455
    Sen. Daniel B. "Danny" Verdin III, District 9
    SAG@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6230

    Lee County
    Sen. Phil P. Leventis, District 35
    PL@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6000
    Sen. Gerald Malloy, District 29
    MALLOYG@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6148

    Lexington County
    Sen. John E. Courson, District 20
    EDU@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6250
    Sen. Ronnie W. Cromer, District 18
    CROMERR@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6040
    Sen. John M. "Jake" Knotts, Jr., District 23
    SIV@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6350
    Sen. Nikki G. Setzler, District 26
    NGS@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6140

    Marion County
    Sen. Dick Elliott, District 28
    DE@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6116
    Sen. Kent M. Williams, District 30
    WILLIAMSK@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6008

    Marlboro County
    Sen. Dick Elliott, District 28
    DE@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6116
    Sen. Gerald Malloy, District 29
    MALLOYG@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6148
    Sen. Kent M. Williams, District 30
    WILLIAMSK@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6008

    McCormick County
    Sen. A. Shane Massey, District 25
    shanemassey@ scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6000

    Newberry County
    Sen. Ronnie W. Cromer, District 18
    CROMERR@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6040

    Oconee County
    Sen. Thomas C. Alexander, District 1
    SGE@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6220

    Orangeburg County
    Sen. C. Bradley Hutto, District 40
    CBH@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6140
    Sen. John W. Matthews, Jr., District 39
    JWM@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6056

    Pickens County
    Sen. Thomas C. Alexander, District 1
    SGE@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6220
    Sen. Larry A. Martin, District 2
    SRU@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6340

    Richland County
    Sen. John E. Courson, District 20
    EDU@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6250
    Sen. Darrell Jackson, District 21
    DJ1@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6048
    Sen. Joel Lourie, District 22
    JBL@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6116
    Sen. Kay Patterson, District 19
    KAY@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6048

    Saluda County
    Sen. Ronnie W. Cromer, District 18
    CROMERR@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6040
    Sen. A. Shane Massey, District 25
    shanemassey@ scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6000
    Sen. Nikki G. Setzler, District 26
    NGS@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6140

    Spartanburg County
    Sen. John D. Hawkins, District 12
    DH@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6008
    Sen. Harvey S. Peeler, Jr., District 14
    MED@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6430
    Sen. Glenn G. Reese, District 11
    GR@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6108
    Sen. James H. "Jim" Ritchie, Jr., District 13
    JHR@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6032

    Sumter County
    Sen. John C. Land III, District 36
    JCL@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6180
    Sen. Phil P. Leventis, District 35
    PL@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6000

    Union County
    Sen. Harvey S. Peeler, Jr., District 14
    MED@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6430
    Sen. James H. "Jim" Ritchie, Jr., District 13
    JHR@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6032
    Sen. Linda H. Short (Mrs. Paul), District 17
    LHS@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6148

    Williamsburg County
    Sen. J. Yancey McGill, District 32
    JYM@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6132

    York County
    Sen. Chauncey K. Gregory, District 16
    SFG@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6330
    Sen. Robert W. Hayes, Jr., District 15
    set@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6410
    Sen. Harvey S. Peeler, Jr., District 14
    MED@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6430
    Sen. Linda H. Short, District 17
    LHS@scsenate.org
    (803) 212-6148

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    From what I can tell there have been so many accustations from both sides of the argument on this bill until it is doomed to die a slow death.

    SLED says that the original bill would permit 18 year-olds to open carry in the state. Grassroots says that the amended version will result in having to requalify every four years. Both sides are dealing in unfounded fears so right now I have no idea which to believe or either side. Until someone can provide some facts instead of rhetorical hype I am not campaigning for either version.

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    SLED is either wrong or lying, or both. Since open carry is generally illegal in SC, except under certain defined instances, the bill couldn't, and doesn't do what you say SLED warns of.

    Furthermore, any permittee from another state would have to abide by and obey all SC laws relevant to carry of a gun, which rules out the under-age concern.

    The bill as passed by the House was a very good bill that would make us into a pure recognition state. The Senate, esp. thanks to Knotts, has bastardized it in attempt to kill it.

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    ...same thing they did to the Campus carry bill... amend it to death till its not even worth passing.

    FIGHT!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCGunGuy View Post
    SLED is either wrong or lying, or both. Since open carry is generally illegal in SC, except under certain defined instances, the bill couldn't, and doesn't do what you say SLED warns of.
    Just like the present version will require requalifying every four years, correct and SC can't even qualify for reciproicity with itself, correct

    As I said more BS rhetoric about this than I can digest.

    The campus carry bill went from being able to CC at a school to to one where the only time it's illegal to carry a gun is if you shoot someone with it, like that is going to fly through the SC legislature.

    No one likes to compromise but sometimes "No Compromise" means no action at all. This is what we have with both these bills.

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