NRA membership? Why?

NRA membership? Why?

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    NRA membership? Why?

    I am in support of gun onwership and the right to defend. That being said, what am I getting out of a membership with NRA besides a 'black and gold shooters hat, and NRA knife and some reading material'. I am accomplishing anything besides giving someone else my money.

    I have debated a membership and the issue was recalled yesterday for me. My wife answered the phone even though the caller id said 'private caller'(not sure why I even pay for that service, she doesn't care what it says and answers anyway ). Anyway, after some conjoling on her part, I took the call which was supposed to be a phone survey on gun control. It wasn't quite that. They played a short message about the 'Castle Doctrine" in Florida and at the end asked if I was in support for such a law to be passed in all states. The caller then relentlessly pressed for me to purchase a membership so I could get this great hat and knife. No wasn't good enough for them. I could put that money towards the purchase of a new gun, if I had any money. Don't want the items they are offering.

    Not sure what a hat and cheap knife have to do with my support for such laws and how my $90 is going to make such laws happen.

    What good does a membership do?

    Am I missing something to this whole membership thing?
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    Ohh i hope you got your Nomex on youll probley get flame for this one ..

    But let me Say if it gets out of Hand This will be Shut down No personal Attacks


    Now to your Question what do you Get Nothing Really Nra has been spinning there wheels a lot and getting no where they havent really helped gun owners at all in past few years as far as im concered

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    Willie, you mentioned the Castle Doctrine and then wonder if the NRA Memberships is any good.... Isn't that a contradiction?
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    This is fairly long, but it may help answer your question.
    The NRA, through its Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) provides a team of full-time lobbyists defending Second Amendment issues on Capitol Hill, in state legislatures and in local government bodies.
    In 1986, the NRA and millions of gun owners nationwide applauded as the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act was signed into law by President Ronald Reagan. ILA worked for more than a decade to secure passage of that historic legislation to reform the Gun Control Act of 1968.
    While NRA is a single-issue organization, the Institute is involved in any issue that directly or indirectly affects firearms ownership and use. These involve such topics as hunting and access to hunting lands, wilderness and wildlife conservation, civilian marksmanship training and ranges for public use, law enforcement-related issues, product liability, trapping, crime victim rights and criminal justice reform.
    The NRA's interest in promoting the shooting sports among America's youth began in 1903 when NRA Secretary Albert S. Jones urged the establishment of rifle clubs at all major colleges, universities and military academies. By 1906, NRA's youth program was in full swing with more than 200 boys competing in matches at Sea Girt that summer.

    Today, youth programs are still a cornerstone of the NRA, with more than one million youth participating in NRA shooting sports events and affiliated programs with groups such as 4-H, the Boy Scouts of America, the American Legion, U.S. Jaycees and others.

    Law enforcement training was next on the priority list for program development. Although a special police school had been reinstated at Camp Perry in 1956, NRA became the only national trainer of law enforcement officers with the introduction of its NRA Police Firearms Instructor certification program in 1960.

    Today, there are more than 10,000 NRA-certified police and security firearms instructors. Additionally, top law enforcement shooters compete each year in eight different pistol and shotgun matches at the National Police Shooting Championships held in Jackson, Mississippi.

    While widely recognized today as a major political force and as America's foremost defender of Second Amendment rights, the NRA has, since its inception, been the premier firearms education organization in the world. But our successes would not be possible without the tireless efforts and countless hours of service our nearly three million members have given to champion Second Amendment rights and support NRA programs. As former Clinton spokesman George Stephanopoulos said, "Let me make one small vote for the NRA. They're good citizens. They call their Congressmen. They write. They vote. They contribute. And they get what they want over time."

    Now, you can get on board with the 3 million+ gun owners who are members and join the fight, or you can sit in your easy chair and let us do it for you. Consider also joining Gun Owners of America (GOA).
    NRA, by the way, took NO to court and got an injunction to cease confiscation of firearms in NO.

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    Opinions vary on the NRA and what it does. I am a Patron Member. I do not agree with everything the NRA does or its position or lack of position sometimes, which is why I'm also a Life Member of the GOA and I belong to other "gun rights" organizations.

    First off when you join the NRA you are not really doing much to support pro-gun lobbying, the ILA arm of the NRA does that. The NRA promotes shooting sports and training mostly. For example, my former club received about $2000 per year for our Youth Hunter Education Challenge Team. This program introduces kids from 10-18 to the various shooting sports and hunting in particular.

    The NRA makes training materials available at nearly cost. I can get a student packet for any of the courses I teach for about $6. This is a book, pamphlets and a rocker patch.

    Ranges also receive grant money from the NRA. My former club as an example, received tens of thousands of dollars for range development.

    The NRA also runs training programs to train people who want to become trainers/coaches and also in range development. They do charge for these, but again it is subsidized by the NRA to keep the costs down.

    The NRA also runs competitions like Camp Perry each year. It takes a lot of money to do this and that is another area that your dues support.

    The NRA was founded as a marksmanship training organization, not a pro-gun lobbying organization. As a lobbying organization they are middle of the road. They do not take the absolutist view of the 2nd Amendment that other groups take. This makes them appear weak to some and appeals to others.

    The other thing your membership in the NRA does is adds to the numbers when the NRA goes to do lobbying. The NRA can point to 4 million members and say look at all those voters. When Al Gore tells the DNC that the NRA cost him the election and guns are a losing issue, then the NRA and other groups are doing their thing.

    You do not have to "buy" the knife and hat plus a membership. You can go to the website or find an NRA recruiter who can do it for less without all the other stuff. The NRA does "push" campaigns to get members. All organizations do this in one way or another.

    So at any rate, it is your decision to join or not. I would encourage to join a pro-rights organiztion of some sort. I always encourage people to join a local or state organization first, and then a national if funds allow. I am an OF (Over Forty) and I'm at a point where I have some disposable income, so I belong to several pro-rights organizations. I figure why buy another gun if the .gov will be able to come and take it from me?

    Best of luck on your decision.
    -Scott-

    edit - buzzg was posting while I was posting. Apologies for any redundancy.

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    Thanks Scott for pointing out the difference between NRA and it's legislative arm ILA. I should've done that.

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    Ahhh, now we are getting somewhere. I was not trying to be cynical in my post. But all I have ever received from NRA was a join now and you can have this gifts. I dont care about the gifts. That is not why I would join. My question has always been 'If I join what am I accomplishing, or helping to accomplish.'. You guys have been the first to really give me any kind of valuable information on this subject.

    I wish the NRA would come up with a different approach to gather new members. "Free" gifts doesn't really do anything for me and unfortunatly that is all that I have heard from them. Thanks for the info guys.
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    I'm GoA and TSRA myself. Look, you can't join every worthy cause, but you can't just sit there and do nothing either. Personally I think globally (GoA membership) and act locally (TSRA membership).

    The NRA does a lot of good things, but the GoA is going in a direction I personally support.

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    I am a NRA life member. I am thinking about joining GoA and I will most likely go the life route there also. Locally I support the MCRGO here in Michigan. Since I do not have the time to constantly fight the leftests. I support organizations that can keep an eye on them and take the battle to them when they rear their ugly heads.

    I like each of these organization for much of what they do, not all however. I doubt there will ever be an orgaization custom built for me so I use the tools that I have available.
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    Where is the best place to get good information on each of these groups?
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    NRA go to nra.org. GOA go to gunowners.org
    I wish they'd drop the free gift approach too. That's got to cost something and the money should go to legislative lobbying, etc.

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    Kurt - I haven't got exact links to hand but just go Google NRA and GOA etc - there is also Citizens Committee for Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

    GOA does IMO have the ''purest'' and perhaps most efficient approach - much about NRA has over time annoyed me (like Buzz mentioned - free gift stuff etc) but - on balance I feel that NRA membership is still valuable - I have contributed quite a lot to RKBA organizations in general.

    The other side to NRA membership for me is that by having my Instructor certifications I am better able to utilize an accepted and accredited way to bring in new folks.
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    http://www.rkba-2a.com/ - a portal for 2A links, articles and some videos.

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    I am a NRA Life Member since ~1980, as well as a life member of my state association (GOAL, who I've worked closely with over the years).

    I think that NRA is too soft on important issues. They helped bring us the NICS check and Brady Bill! They didn't fight hard enough on the AWB that recently expired. etc.

    But they do have the numbers on a national level.

    Second Amendment Fdn (SAF) and Gun Owners of America (GOA) are tiny in comparison, but probably more aggressive in protecting gun owners rights without being radical organizations.

    Google searches and lots of reading will best answer your questions.

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    Let me know right away if this is(too)personal. Where would we(gun owners,shooters,CCW people) be without the NRA. What have you(any of you out there) done to protect your right to hunt,shoot,CCW,etc.? I have been a member of the NRA for 35 years. I have never become a life member but renew year after year without any breaks in the tradition. I stayed a member all the years that I was deployed/stationed overseas. I feel that I am paying for the NRA to fight for the rights of nonpaying/non careing people. My opinion is that if you don't want to join the NRA or some other group with a very strong lobby for the gun rights that you hold dear,then you have no right whatsoever to complain if these rights are limited or taken away. Remember that and act accordingly.(see how sensative to the feelings of others I have become in my old age) -------------

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    I don't know if you addressed that to me or someone else . . .

    As I stated, NRA "has the numbers", meaning that DC takes notice when they speak. I just wish they didn't "negotiate" our rights away like they do when dealing with the legiscritters in DC!

    I have a friend who used to fight the good fight in MA until he gave u and moved to Phoenix, AZ. He picked up the gauntlet there and has been involved in their CCW laws. He also told me that NRA came in and bargained away their rights to carry in places that serve alcohol/public buildings/etc. According to him, NRA "went over the head" of the AZ state organization that was dead-set against giving away any rights. I trust and believe this person!

    I've testified at most gun hearings here in MA over the past ~25 years. I've signed up tons of members for GOAL at gun shows, gun clubs, etc. I've served as Legislative Chairman of 3 different gun clubs over a period of ~17 years and I've brought the only real authority on MA gun laws to speak 4 times at a local gun club - open to the public at no charge (the club picked up all expenses). I've talked with my legiscritters at the state level until I'm blue in the face. I admit that I don't bother with our Federal legistraitors since they are Sens. Kerry & Kennedy and Rep. Barney Frank! I also realize that I could do a lot more than I do, but I do a fair amount to protect our rights in our own back yard.

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