May 25th, 2008 08:38 PM
I'm just one root in a grassroots organization. No one should assume that I speak for the VCDL.
I am neither an attorney-at-law nor I do play one on television or on the internet. No one should assumes my opinion is legal advice.
Veni, Vidi, Velcro
May 25th, 2008 08:47 PM
Originally Posted by goawayfarm
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
self defense (A.O.J.).
How does disarming
the number of victims?
Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos)
NRA, SAF, GOA, OFF, ACLDN.
May 25th, 2008 09:14 PM
Agreed. This is a stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid,stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid idea.
Originally Posted by EW3
By the way its even dumber than stupid.
HELGA: Where are you going?
HAGAR: To sign a peace treaty with the King of England.
HELGA: Then why take all those weapons?
HAGAR: First we gotta negotiate...
May 25th, 2008 09:48 PM
I would hope the NRA will be all over this idea for the same reasons that everyone here is posting.
Keep emotionally active. Cater to your favorite neurosis.
May 26th, 2008 12:21 AM
It's not going to happen. Hopefully, one of us who can understand the full effect of this bill will explain it to the rest of society. Heck, you can take my first post. It's a horrible idea and it's just another way of attacking the 2nd Amendment.
When it's political suicide to attack front on, you will see more politicians trying to attack the flanks. In a way, it's a good thing. They know they are beat, and they are trying anything.
I have a feeling this will never gain mainstream traction, and if it does, like I said, I won't be a part of it. I'll go to jail first.
May 26th, 2008 10:28 AM
Theres not an insurance company around that would assume this liability. Coverage would be bound to negligence. I have read and am familiar with several ISO policies and private policies and not one paid out for negligence. I can hear the conversation now. Adjuster: So Mr. Homeowner, your Gun was stolen out of your home along with your two flat panel TVs, $1000 in cash, $5000 in Jewelry. Sure this is a covered loss if it weren't for the fact you let the weapon get stolen so you are now negligent and were denying your claim. PS: You'll be getting a cancellation notice in 30 days. I wouldn't worry about this. The insurance lobbyist will shoot it down. Something like this would make fraud out of control. No one would be able to afford insurance. Half of NYC would be filing a claim. File a false police report saying I was robbed and then attempt to collect. It's a failing business and drug dealers dream. This sounds like a very extreme leftist liberal lawyer mind at work. I apologize in advance to any very extreme leftist liberal lawyer's who take offense.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
May 26th, 2008 11:11 AM
Here we go again ! If they can't win they will try to make it so expensive to own and shoot only a few will be able to do it.We need to fight theses groups every step of the way as they try to take away our rights that were given to us under the constitution.
May 26th, 2008 06:29 PM
sounds like the law here in Tn that requires the drug dealers to collect tax and have tax stamps on their dope.
Something else they can charge you with if you were ever involved in a shooting.
"If I was an extremist, our founding fathers would all be extremists," he said. "Without them, we wouldn't have our independence. We'd be a disarmed British system of feudal subjectivity."
May 26th, 2008 11:21 PM
The pen is mightier than the sword
Rather than trying to limit access to or take printing presss away from law-abiding
adults, we must instead insist that the adult responsible for a printing press at any
instant (maker, seller, or buyer) have enough liability insurance to cover
the harm that could result if that adult misuses it or lets it reach the
Who gets the insurance proceeds, and for what? The state crime victims'
compensation fund, whenever a crime involving printing press is committed or a printing press
mishap occurs. The more victims, the bigger the payout. The greater the
damage (from intimidation to pornogaphy and bulk junk mail), the
greater the payout. The insurers will also pay the fund for other claims,
such as when a minor commits sedition by printing press or accidentally defames a
playmate with Daddy's printer. This will reduce such mishaps. Insurance is
very effective in getting people to adopt safe practices in return for
When a crime involving a printing press occurs, the firm who insured it pays the
claim. If the printing press is not found or is uninsured (and there will still be
many of these at first) then every fund will pay a pro-rated share of the
damages, based on the number of printing presses they insure. This will motivate
insurance firms--and legitimate printing press owners--to treat uninsured printing presses as
poison, instead of as an unavoidable byproduct of the First Amendment.
Thus, insurance will unite the interests of all law-abiding citizens, printing press
owners and others, against the real problem with printing presses: a printing press in the hands of
criminals, the reckless, the untrained, and juveniles.
Like other insurance, printing press insurance will be from a private firm or
association, not the government. Owners, makers, and dealers will likely
self-insure, forming large associations just as the early "automobilists"
did. Any financially-sound group, such as the GCIU, can follow state
insurance commission rules and create a printing press insurance firm.
May 27th, 2008 11:37 AM
Originally Posted by Kerbouchard
This is pure BS. Bad guys could care less about gun laws and even less about gun insurance. Whats next, seat belt insurance, knife insurance, blender insurance and lets not forget baseball insurance because you never know when you might get hit with a baseball or bat.
May 27th, 2008 11:42 AM
I don't see what all the fuss is about...
Everyone knows that since Car Insurance became mandated in several states... automobile accidents have been all but eliminated...
Oh wait, I've had four cars totaled in the last five years by drunks... and all of them had car insurance. My bad. Please proceed with your rants.
Last edited by matiki; May 27th, 2008 at 05:33 PM.
"Wise people learn when they can; fools learn when they must." - The Duke of Wellington
May 27th, 2008 04:03 PM
friend of mine, Matiki, you guys stole the words from my mouth. I wish there was journalism insurance. About every article I've read involving an incident I was on scene for had at least one error.
And yes, this will curb gang violence like auto insurance stopped drunk driving. Last I checked there were roughly twice as many drunk driving homicides as gun homicides each year.
"Lord, help me to be the person my dog thinks I am."
May 27th, 2008 08:43 PM
I for one think this is nuts! What about all the talk of Tort Reform? You know that little issue about someone filing suit against someone else, and the need to spend excessive amounts of money to deal with what someone else did with something.
No I do not think that we need insurance other than Castle Doctrine, oh yes that pistol on your side. To do just what? To protect you and your family from the harm that crazy people do.
I do not go looking for a fight and if I can reason and resolve the issue great. If not and forced to do so I will protect my family and myself. I carry my insurance with me!
May 28th, 2008 09:30 AM
This idea is ludicrous in every way.
May 28th, 2008 10:26 AM
This looks a lot like steep taxes on ammunition. Make the premiums so high it becomes unaffordable to legally own a gun.
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