Church And The 2A

Church And The 2A

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    Church And The 2A

    For those who wonder why some states have laws against carrying guns in church. When you have this many religious organizations coming out against the 2A, is it no wonder the anti's argue against it as a God given right?

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    Many religious groups profess the moral superiority of the victim compared to one who would use violence in their defense.

    They don't call them flocks for nothing.

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    "Turning the other cheek" nowhere compares to sitting there and allowing mass murder. Yes I carry at church, and yes it's allowed - and encouraged.

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    A Catholic's view.

    Catechism of the Catholic Church

    2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. "The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one's own life; and the killing of the aggressor. . . . The one is intended, the other is not."65
    (65 St. Thomas Aquinas, STh II-II, 64, 7, corp. art.)

    2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one's own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow.
    Now, I read that the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops in 2000 published the following: “in the long run and with few exceptions (i.e., police officers, military use), handguns should be eliminated from our society.” But since the first quotes I posted were from the last update of the CCC in 1997, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops went against the established parameters of the Catholic Church. And seeing the way they handled the pederast priests, I am not surprised they once again screwed it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy View Post
    the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops went against the established parameters of the Catholic Church. And seeing the way they handled the pederast priests, I am not surprised they once again screwed it up.
    This would come under the old saying of "Criminals prefer unarmed Victims."

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    An interesting observation...
    most of the churchs that are anti-gun also support and encourage homsexuality.

    Where I am located, many of the local pastors have CHL permits. Its the Catholics and the offshoots that discourage owning guns for self defense.

    The Protestant Denominations here are very supportive...to the point of allowing CHL classes in their Sunday school areas and even encouraging their members to attend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    An interesting observation...
    most of the churchs that are anti-gun also support and encourage homsexuality.

    Where I am located, many of the local pastors have CHL permits. Its the Catholics and the offshoots that discourage owning guns for self defense.

    The Protestant Denominations here are very supportive...to the point of allowing CHL classes in their Sunday school areas and even encouraging their members to attend.
    I believe your are mistaken or misinformed about the Catholics or their offshoots, (which could be regarded as any protestant religion) discouraging ownership of guns for self defense, or encouragement or support of homosexuality. Case and point, our priest has his CHL. There is nothing other than state law, which Arkansas is one of them, that doesn't allow carrying in a Catholic Church. I carry to mine every time I go.

    Lets not confuse some individuals actions with what a particular church or religions stance on a subject is.
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    FWIW,

    My pastor actually carries into the pulpit and he views it as his duty before God as a shepherd to be able to protect the sheep entrusted to him.

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