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    Charges dropped against third-grade teacher who took gun to school

    Charges dropped against third-grade teacher who took gun to school -- OrlandoSentinel.com

    Charges dropped against third-grade teacher who took gun to school

    Rene Stutzman | Sentinel Staff Writer
    9:29 AM EDT, July 21, 2008

    SANFORD - A third-grade teacher arrested for taking a gun onto school property was set for trial today, but prosecutors dropped all charges.

    Michelle McGhee, 56, of Sanford, was arrested Dec. 12, after a secretary at Heathrow Elementary School discovered a snub-nosed .38-caliber revolver near the bus ramp. Nearby was McGhee's cell phone.

    McGhee admitted the gun was hers. She told authorities that she has a concealed weapons permit but brought the gun to school inadvertently.

    Her attorney, Robert Fisher, said today that McGhee had stacked her school belongings together the night before, inadvertently placed her gun among them, then the next morning grabbed up everything, placed them in her car, then unloaded them in the school parking lot and wheeled them inside.

    The gun and her cell phone apparently fell off as she was walking toward the building, he said.

    "Looked like clearly it was an accident," said Fisher. "She's not a danger to anybody."

    McGhee was charged with two misdemeanors -- possessing a firearm on school property and culpable negligence. Had she been convicted, she faced a maximum sentence of one year in jail.

    Assistant State Attorney Matthews Bark said the state dropped charges because whatever happened, it was not a crime.

    The Seminole County School Board suspended McGhee shortly after her arrest.

    She has been a teacher for 25 years, Fisher said.
    Doesn't say whether she got her job back. Probably still in violation of school board regs/employees policies.
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    With all the school shootings, it might be a good thing if the teachers were allowed to carry. Might just prevent further loss of lives.

    Tough subject!
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    This is one that I'm torn on. First off I'd like to say that I believe that legal gun owners should be able to carry in schools, teachers or otherwise. However, what it looks like to me is this woman dropped her loaded firearm on school grounds. It also looks like she was not the first person to find it. I don't know the timeline of the incident, which could mitigate the issue a bit.

    That said, it is a SERIOUS problem to lose control of your firearm. It's especially a serious problem if you happen to lose control of it where there are likely to be children around. It seems to me that the woman is indeed in violation of the law as well. She does not paint a good picture of legal gun owners and legal gun owners who defend this woman may only be making the picture worse.

    I don't know enough about the situation to make any real judgements, but I just wanted to bring up some points to think about. Also, I'm not a parent, but if that had happened at my child's school and my child was harmed as a result...

    Anyway, food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nasm View Post
    This is one that I'm torn on. First off I'd like to say that I believe that legal gun owners should be able to carry in schools, teachers or otherwise. However, what it looks like to me is this woman dropped her loaded firearm on school grounds. It also looks like she was not the first person to find it. I don't know the timeline of the incident, which could mitigate the issue a bit.

    That said, it is a SERIOUS problem to lose control of your firearm. It's especially a serious problem if you happen to lose control of it where there are likely to be children around. It seems to me that the woman is indeed in violation of the law as well. She does not paint a good picture of legal gun owners and legal gun owners who defend this woman may only be making the picture worse.

    I don't know enough about the situation to make any real judgements, but I just wanted to bring up some points to think about. Also, I'm not a parent, but if that had happened at my child's school and my child was harmed as a result...

    Anyway, food for thought.

    Take care,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupcake View Post
    Agreed.
    Agreed with your agreement.

    How cavalier, or scatter brained, does one have to be to not only 'accidentally' place your firearm next to your work/school related gear but to also place that same gear into your car and not notice as much. Then to remove it from your car and place it onto a loading cart, and from there to not notice that you dropped not just your gun but your cell phone too both of which make a noise when they fall to the ground (outside of landing on grass).

    That's just a lot of happenstance and not noticing going on.

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    Well I'm glad she's not facing criminal charges, even though they may be in order. While I don't agree with the law, it should be enforced uniformly. I have to question whether or not her age and tenure played a major role in the charges being dropped. The cynic in me suspects that a 27 year old recently hired male teacher might have faced a different set of circumstances.
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    She didn't 'just forget' that her gun was there....she, unknowingly, dropped her sidearm at school. Lost positive control of her weapon. Put a gun out there for a child to possiably find. That was extremely irresponsible!

    I am 100% behind teachers and staff being able to carry at school and I believe it to be necessary. But a gun shouldn't be an item that takes up space in a purse or briefcase.......something that you may or may not have remembered or properly store or place on your person securly. Mrs. Mcghee lost sight of that.
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    Not necessarily an intended crime, but pretty stupid.

    Carry in schools? Well, it isn't a problem in Utah.

    If allowed, my Kimber would be with me in a heartbeat, and no one would know it.

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    My daughter will be starting the 3d grade at that school in a few weeks. I kinda hope she gets Mrs McGhee for her teacher. By all reports, this incident notwithstanding, she's solid.......and I sure agree with her 2A stance!
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    Agreeing with Nasm on this one as well.

    The debate whether teachers should be allowed to carry, is not really relavent to this IMO. It is in fact not legal where she is and she did a pretty bone headed thing. I don't buy that she didn't hear the gun or the cell phone hit the pavement when loading the cart, or that she just laid it by her stack of books at the house.

    Had a kid or some one else with bad intentions picked it up this may have had a pretty awful outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctorbarn View Post
    With all the school shootings, it might be a good thing if the teachers were allowed to carry. Might just prevent further loss of lives.

    Tough subject!
    What do you do if you "forget" and carry in the wrong place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctorbarn View Post
    With all the school shootings, it might be a good thing if the teachers were allowed to carry. Might just prevent further loss of lives.

    ?
    Perhaps, but not teachers as negligent and careless as this one obviously was.

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    Her case is a classic reason used by school officials against...especially the argument that if a teacher can't remember/be responsible, how do you expect a student, with a very busy schedule/workload/social life, to be such.

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    I don't see how you accidently group a gun with scholl items unless you plan on taking it with those school items,I think incidents like this paint a poor picture of responsible gun owners,I know when I have a gun on me or with me It's not something that slips my mind when I see a sign that says no guns allowed and It's a legal sign then I know I can't legally carry there,She dropped a loaded gun in a place frequented by hundreds of kids,I hope she learned her lesson
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