Next time someone says....

Next time someone says....

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    But but but gun control stops crime
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    UK? Crime? What?
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    Even Canada's criminal victimization rate per capita is grater than ours, so says Canada's own governmental record keepers and office of statistics. Even the UN's own collection of criminal victimization data states and supports this.
    I've been stating this stuff and posting as much for years, and it's not even difficult information to locate.

    So called 'gun control' is proven to be of negative benefit counter to common assumption. Real world results have not proven as much, citizen arms control and/or bans, to be beneficial anywhere be it at a community, state, or even at first and third world country levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Even Canada's criminal victimization rate per capita is grater than ours, so says Canada's own governmental record keepers and office of statistics. Even the UN's own collection of criminal victimization data states and supports this.
    I've been stating this stuff and posting as much for years, and it's not even difficult information to locate.

    So called 'gun control' is proven to be of negative benefit counter to common assumption. Real world results have not proven as much, citizen arms control and/or bans, to be beneficial anywhere be it at a community, state, or even at first and third world country levels.

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    Janq....I'm not refuting your premise, but do you have a link to these stats that reflect Canada's victimization rates?
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    Just dont ride a Greyhound bus in Canada.
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    These reports can not be true. Are we not told that gun control stops crime just look at England.
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    Good Stuff!!!

    "Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized."

    The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.


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    One thing that stood out to me was in the Reason Magazine article,
    that the U.S. (FBI) told reporting/responding police departments to report ALL homicides, regardless of judgement, as murder, thereby 'raising' the numbers.......whereas the English "dress down" thier numbers by waiting for the judgements and not calling any homicide a "murder", thus showing markedly "low" murder/homicide rates.


    Go figure........?
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    the united states is doing just fine with guns.
    law-abidding citizens that is.
    if it weren't for our guns (founding fathers
    and brave revolutinary war fighting civalians
    there would be no united states.
    tell them to put that in thier pipe and smoke it.
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    the UK may be a haven for crime, but their people are civilized, refined, humane, well heeled...go figure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    One thing that stood out to me was in the Reason Magazine article,
    that the U.S. (FBI) told reporting/responding police departments to report ALL homicides, regardless of judgement, as murder, thereby 'raising' the numbers.......whereas the English "dress down" thier numbers by waiting for the judgements and not calling any homicide a "murder", thus showing markedly "low" murder/homicide rates.
    Go figure........?
    Yeah, there's been several articles over they years about different areas playing with the number. Back in the mid 90's, English posters in a news group I hung out in claimed that the police either did not take reports of crimes or recorded them as lessor offenses (probably under pressure from above).

    A woman I know went to Brazil on vacation and came back with some interesting tales regarding the police there. She had been told, by locals, to not bother going to the cops if something happens unless she was ready to pay them to do something about it. I've heard that of several other countries, I wonder what their real crime figures are.

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    I think another issue that plays into the perception that the USA has such major crime issues is the aggressive news media we have that just LOVES to highlight our weaknesses, and dramatize our tragedies in the name of ratings.

    Ive been to other countries in the world, and seen other cultures, and NO other culture Ive seen likes to poke fun of itself as much as the USA.
    Its wonderful that we CAN, but sad that we feel the need to in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enewman View Post
    I think another issue that plays into the perception that the USA has such major crime issues is the aggressive news media we have that just LOVES to highlight our weaknesses, and dramatize our tragedies in the name of ratings.

    Ive been to other countries in the world, and seen other cultures, and NO other culture Ive seen likes to poke fun of itself as much as the USA.
    Its wonderful that we CAN, but sad that we feel the need to in my opinion.
    negativity sells here and the media knows it. why do you think the only news out of Iraq are of car bombings?
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    That and the fact that defensive uses of guns are hardly ever reported.
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