Nationwide, Alaska Style Carry?

Nationwide, Alaska Style Carry?

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    Nationwide, Alaska Style Carry?

    So with Sarah Palin on the Republican Ticket, assuming (hopefully not too much) that she and John are elected to the White House in Nov. Does anyone here other than myself dream of Nationwide Carry on par with Alaska/Vermont?

    Or would that be so back-burner what with Defense, Economy, Foreign Relations, and Hopefully genuinely trying to reform Washington?


    Thanks For your input in advance
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    Nationwide Carry???

    I thought the States made their own laws as to how you can/can't carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEV View Post
    So with Sarah Palin on the Republican Ticket, assuming (hopefully not too much) that she and John are elected to the White House in Nov. Does anyone here other than myself dream of Nationwide Carry on par with Alaska/Vermont?

    Or would that be so back-burner what with Defense, Economy, Foreign Relations, and Hopefully genuinely trying to reform Washington?


    Thanks For your input in advance
    MikeV

    Carry legistation has traditionally been left to the individual states. I don't see that changing. I should think there are many serious issues on the national front that a majority of citizens would feel more important right now.
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    I think it will be back burner. I certainly believe that Palin might well want to advocate this, but I actually doubt that McCain would. I think he will concentrate on more centrist and more pressing issues.

    There also are some serious issues with broadening carry rights. In theory, and because I carry, it is a great idea. But, I do think that in many places with dense populations there are some legitimate concerns. It isn't just accident, or just "liberal" politicians who have pushed through tough anti-gun measures in the most populace states. You can readily see the anti-position in Mayor Giuliani (a very conservative individual) and in Mayor Bloomberg. There were other Republican Mayors in NY (Mayor Lindsay) and they held the same position. Similarly, for very many years there have been Republican Governors in NY, and they were in no way pro-gun. E.g., Pataki, Rockefeller. I don't see Arnold pushing for liberalized gun laws in California; and the former Republican governor of New Jersey (can't think of her name, she headed EPA after being governor) didn't push pro-gun legislation.

    The fact of the matter is that there are strong regional differences in the US. It is a huge country and Texas isn't Illinois. New Jersey isn't Alaska. California isn't Utah. Legislatures in each place have done what they thought needed doing.

    Things will get gradually better for the carry community because of the recent Heller decision and the follow up actions that will inevitably follow.

    And do keep in mind, that even in Texas, we are a tiny minority of the eligible population, and the law is actually quite restrictive in many ways. There are less than 300,000 people with licenses, no one knows how many actually carry regularly, and we have a population that I think is roughly 25 million (not certain). That puts us at roughly 1% of the population tops. And we need to keep in mind that many of the licenses are issued to former cops, family members of cops, judges, prosecutors, city officials and so on.

    It will be a slow uphill climb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EW3 View Post
    Nationwide Carry???

    I thought the States made their own laws as to how you can/can't carry.
    They do, unless a federal law is in-corporated(?sp?). Please I am not wanting to get into the what is the reach of the 14A. But can't the States get "encouragement" from the feds.



    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I think it will be back burner. I certainly believe that Palin might well want to advocate this, but I actually doubt that McCain would. I think he will concentrate on more centrist and more pressing issues...


    The fact of the matter is that there are strong regional differences in the US. It is a huge country and Texas isn't Illinois. New Jersey isn't Alaska. California isn't Utah. Legislatures in each place have done what they thought needed doing.
    Good Point.

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    At least make all the states recognize the CCW license of another state...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EW3 View Post
    Nationwide Carry???

    I thought the States made their own laws as to how you can/can't carry.

    Yes, but in truth, that's like allowing each State to decide whether blacks and women get to vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    Yes, but in truth, that's like allowing each State to decide whether blacks and women get to vote.
    So what your saying is that it would be kind of like this. Blacks and Women can vote in Federal Elections, but not in those that only have State or Local impact?

    Never thought of it that way. something to consider, don't know if I agree or not, but it is thought provoking.

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    Easier way is to work on the few non-shall-issue states w/lawsuits that should go far w/the Heller case. Most of these states will have to come up with new excuses for denying CCWs to law-abiding citizens since the 2A is no longer a collective right. I suspect if Chicago and San Fran cave in, the states won't try to deny incorporation of the 2A as well.
    After that, things should start to come together. Just look at how far we've come over the last 20 years! How many states had reciprocity agreements back then compared to now?
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