Interesting: permit-holders are more law-abiding

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    Interesting: permit-holders are more law-abiding

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    • RTC permit-holders are more law-abiding than the rest of the public. For example, Florida, which has issued more carry permits than any state has issued 1.36 million permits, but revoked only 165 (0.01%) due to gun crimes by permit-holders.

    Background: Before 1987, there were 10 RTC states. Indiana, Maine, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota and Washington had “shall issue” permit laws. Alabama and Connecticut had fairly-administered discretionary-issue systems. Georgia’s “shall issue” law was interpreted as discretionary in some jurisdictions. Vermont allowed carrying without a permit. Other states had restrictively-administered discretionary-issue carry permit systems or prohibited carrying.

    In 1987, Florida enacted a “shall issue” law that has become the model for other states. Anti-gun groups, politicians and news media people predicted vigilante justice and “Wild West” shootouts on every corner. But through 1992, Florida’s murder rate decreased 23%, while the U.S. rate rose 9%; thereafter, murder decreased both nationally and in Florida.8 Then-Florida Licensing Division Director, John Russi, noted, “Florida’s concealed weapon law has been very successful. All major law enforcement groups supported the original legislation....[S]ome of the opponents of concealed weapon legislation in 1987 now admit the program has not created the problems many predicted.”9 In a 1995 letter to state officials, Dept. of Law Enforcement Commissioner James T. Moore wrote, “From a law enforcement perspective, the licensing process has not resulted in problems.”
    • RTC a success in every state: Former Colorado Asst. Atty. Gen. David Kopel has written, “Whenever a state legislature first considers a concealed carry bill, opponents typically warn of horrible consequences....But within a year of passage, the issue usually drops off the news media’s radar screen, while gun-control advocates in the legislature conclude that the law wasn’t so bad after all.”5 A article on Michigan’s RTC law noted, “Concerns that permit holders would lose their tempers in traffic accidents have been unfounded. Worries about risks to police officers have also proved unfounded....National surveys of police show they support concealed handgun laws by a 3-1 margin....There is also not a single academic study that claims Right to Carry laws have increased state crime rates. The debate among academics has been over how large the benefits have been.”6
    • More RTC, less crime: Violent crime rates since 2003 have been lower than anytime since the mid-1970s.1 Since 1991, 23 states have adopted RTC, the number of privately-owned guns has risen by nearly 70 million,2 and violent crime is down 38%. In 2007, the most recent year for which complete data are available, RTC states had lower violent crime rates, on average, compared to the rest of the country (total violent crime by 24%; murder, 28%; robbery, 50%; and aggravated assault, 11%).
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    Of course. As a group, well-meaning folks simply seeking a method of withstanding criminal attack aren't themselves the cause of anything. Rather, they are strongly a part of the solution.
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    But we knew this all along!
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    Nothing new here except that the media (generally speaking) refuses to acknowledge any such facts.

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    That is kind of misleading, unfortunately. Here are the rest of the stats.


    Concealed Weapon / Firearm Summary Report
    October 1, 1987 - August 31, 2008
    2007-2008 10/1/87 - 8/31/08

    Applications Received: 1,400,534
    New 11,897
    Renewal 6,345

    Licenses Issued: 1,382,676
    New 13,270
    Renewal 6,319

    Licenses Valid: 520,443

    Applications Denied: 8,620
    Criminal History 3,046
    Incomplete Application 5,574

    Licenses Revoked: 4,321
    Clemency Rule Change
    or Legislative Change 66
    Illegible Prints With
    No Response 10
    Crime Prior to Licensure 517
    Crime After Licensure 3,607
    --Firearm Utilized-- [165]
    Other 121
    Reinstated* 522
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilitaryPower View Post
    That is kind of misleading, unfortunately. Here are the rest of the stats.
    MP, those stats are for what/where? Alaska? Germany? The right-to-carry states mentioned in the OP? Where did those stats come from? Got a link?
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    One thing to take into account is that anyone applying for a permit is already a person who wants to obey the law. Sort of like saying that crooks are more likely to purchase a gun illegally than law abiding citizens.

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    Oops. These stats are from Florida, as those are the first stats in the OP.

    http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/sta..._cw_annual.pdf
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