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#1 · (Edited)
Given the upcoming election I decided to do some digging. Please correct me if at any point i am erroneous in any way.

FACTS:

1) More likely than not, Obama WILL be our next president. Giving the Democrats the white house.

2) Obama believes to be unnecessary for regular citizens and only really wanted by a bitter, ignorant minority.

3) Joe Biden is radically anti-gun. He claims to have been the Co-creator of the Clinton Assault Weapon ban.

4) Nancy Pelosi is total willing slave to her party. Increasing the power of the Democrat party is more important than any real issues concerning the country's well being. This applies to the vast majority of the Democrats in the House and Senate.

5) Most likely, at least 2 Supreme court Justices will retire and be replaced by 2 people that Barack Obama chooses.

6) The Democrats currently have a majority in BOTH houses of congress.

7) If the democrats achieve a 60% majority in congress, they will be even be able to override filibusters by the minority party!!

And now for the Grand Finale...

8) The WHITE HOUSE will be controlled by Liberal, Anti-gun Democrats.

9) CONGRESS may be under TOTAL control of liberal, anti-gun democrats.

10) The SUPREME COURT who barely prevented the 2nd amendment from being 'overturned' when both sides were even, could possibly be controlled by a majority of Liberal Democrats.

My conclusion:

We may be on the verge of seeing this country handed over on a silver platter to some of the most entrenched, biased, liberal anti-gunners in US history.
Liberal anti-gun democrats will have near TOTAL control over All 3 branches of government.


To me, it is not a question of IF there will be an attempt to enact blanket bans on firearms, firearm registration and blanket confiscation, but WHEN. Maybe 20 years, maybe 40. But our upcoming elected and appointed officials could make major strides in that direction.

Tell me im wrong. Please.
 
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#4 ·
I keep trying to explain this to the two Obamabots I work with (who are both young and military vets too!) and it's like speaking to a brick wall. They don't want to hear it. :frown:
 
#5 ·
Most likely, the only thing they will be able to focus on is the econ. In some ways, feel sorry for what ever party is in power the next 2-4 years. Could turn ugly on them.

If what you say is true considering the three branches of government, I would point out, that majority Democrat does not = majority anti-gun. There are enough pro-gun Democrats to prevent the swift change.

In addition, if what you say is true:

...Increasing the power of the Democrat party is FAR more important than any real issues concerning the country's well being...
They will want to keep what power they have. This will include keeping their seats in the house, senate, and even the white house. Big changes would make for a short (less than 2 years) reign.

Unless! Some type of martial law situation.

...Tell me im wrong. Please.
If you think they will take away CCW, firearms, and handguns from owners, I think that would be unrealistic (and thus I'm telling you you are wrong). Most will be grandfathered in.

I do imagine some sort of assault weapon ban would pass. If you consider that a huge issue, then I guess you would be right.

IMO: Next 2-4 years look for increased taxes / hoops for firearm makers, gun dealers, and ammo. In addition some type of hoop to jump through for "assault" weapons (no mater how stupid the term is).

Now, 4-8 years, if anti-gun leaders continue with their control, things would get interesting (esp a Pres. that does not have a 3rd term option).
 
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Given the upcoming election I decided to do some digging. Please correct me if at any point i am erroneous in any way.

FACTS:

1) More likely than not, Obama WILL be our next president. Giving the Democrats the white house.

2) Obama believes to be unnecessary for regular citizens and only really wanted by a bitter, ignorant minority.

3) Joe Biden is radically anti-gun. He claims to have been the Co-creator of the Clinton Assault Weapon ban.

4) Nancy Pelosi is total willing slave to her party. Increasing the power of the Democrat party is FAR more important than any real issues concerning the country's well being. This applies to the vast majority of the Democrats in the House and Senate.

5) Most likely, at least 2 Supreme court Justices will retire and be replaced by 2 people that BARACK OBAMA chooses.

6) The Democrats currently have a majority in BOTH houses of congress.

7) If the democrats achieve a 60% majority in congress, they will be even be able to override filibusters by the minority party!!

And now for the Grand Finale...

8) The WHITE HOUSE will be controlled by Liberal, Anti-gun Democrats.

9) CONGRESS will be under TOTAL control of liberal, anti-gun democrats.

10) The SUPREME COURT who barely prevented the 2nd amendment from being 'overturned' when both sides were even, will probably be controlled by a majority of Liberal Democrats.

In conclusion:

We are on the verge of seeing this country handed over on a silver platter to some of the most entrenched, biased, liberal anti-gunners in US history.
Liberal anti-gun democrats will have near TOTAL control over ALL 3 BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT.


To me, it is not a question of IF there will be an attempt to enact blanket bans on firearms, firearm registration and blanket confiscation, but WHEN.

Tell me im wrong. Please.
I think those politicians you refer to want it,however, public opinion is not with them. They will try some under the radar stuff but anything big will backfire on them.
As far as SCOTUS goes, aren't the older members of the court also the most liberal ones(Stevens,Ginsburg)? I keep hearing 2 are going to be replaced but they never say which ones. So even if Obama chooses 2, most likely they replace liberals in which case nothing really changes. But yes, SCOTUS is more a worry to me than what the Federal Government can do.
 
#7 ·
I fear a more socialistic form of government in many ways. I don't think that our present gun issues will change much in the next 8 years, but more slowly we could be absorbed into a U.N./One World society (I've read about that somewhere?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:...it's coming!) where we will all find ourselves surrounded by big brother, working to support the world order...that is, if we are not completely devastated by WWIII and a total collapse of our economic system.
 
#8 ·
I don't think that our present gun issues will change much in the next 8 years
I think those politicians you refer to want it,however, public opinion is not with them. They will try some under the radar stuff but anything big will backfire on them.

You are correct, anything truly major would be catastrophic for thier party. But that doesnt mean they won't lay the foundation for future laws. Liberties are taken in small steps.. bit by bit. Chiseled away with a file so that few will notice them missing...

While the extent of what will happen to Gun Rights in the next 4-8 years is unclear.. I seriously doubt it will be anything good. Think about it.. who says the next Assault weapons ban has to have a sunset clause?

While it wont be the end of the world for Gun owners, it may be another small step or steps in that direction.
 
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I fear the US will align itself with the UN instead of acting like a sovereign state.
We all know how the UN feels about firearms and how they want to get rid of them. If your not a member of the NRA or some other gun advocate group nows the time to join folks and stay up on current on your dues these organizations do a great deal in defending our 2and amendment rights !
 
#10 ·
I fear the US will align itself with the UN instead of acting like a sovereign state...
Because of the Constitution the US government does not have the legal ability to give up sovereignty. Only way it would work is if the UN somehow became part of the US and then somehow the current citizens would be out voted.

However, legal rights, like the 2A, are not the same as say, agreeing to use a world currency or agreeing to a UN requirement turning the econ against civilian ammo pricing or chaning international liability / lawsuits to firearm makers.
 
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Tell me im wrong. Please.
Like I keep telling my wife, our worst enemies have been the Republicans. They had the house, the senate, and the presidency. Look what they did with it. They are the reason that the most ultra liberals will undoubtedly be put back in power. If we ever get another chance to be represented by a party with majority power, we need to make sure they represent us in such a way that they can stay in power.
 
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5) Most likely, at least 2 Supreme court Justices will retire and be replaced by 2 people that Barack Obama chooses.
There is good news: The two justices most likely to retire during Obama's hypothetical tenure, is Stevens (age 88) and Ginsburg (age 75). The remainder range in age from 72-53. Stevens and Ginsburg are liberal in the first place. Obama's potential picks will do no additional harm.
 
#14 ·
I find it difficult to comprehend the ideas some post here about the UN and losing sovereignty. We don't even obey the letter of our treaty obligations with regard to providing consular assistance to foreign nationals accused of crimes. The SC has said this is O.K. So, why do you think they would pay attention to any treaty provisions they find unacceptable?

Meanwhile, Heller will remain the dominant decision on which all else is based for many many years to come.
 
#17 ·
Meanwhile, Heller will remain the dominant decision on which all else is based for many many years to come.
In many ways...I agree with you on this. Like Roe vs. Wade...many reviews/attacks over the years, but still stands. The issue then becomes water down and nibbles at the laws. 2A is affirmed...but can one find ways to water down 2A...only time will tell.

The rest of the discussion is pushing the envelop on politics...prefer to discuss after the election. If the average American only knew of the inner workings of Congress and Administration...

Rick
 
#18 ·
I can't see them going after concealed carry. That issue is controlled by the individual states. I agree there will be some stupid attempts on ammunition and of course the stupid assault ban will raise it ugly head.

Obama's real danger is undermining the military ( and our safety from AH from overseas) and socializing everything costing us gagizillions of tax dollars.
 
#20 ·
No YOU'RE not crazy, THEY are, and that scares me. My feeling ( and hope ) is that Odrama will be in office for 4 years, people will see him for what he is and he will be replaced with a Republican in 2012.
I think Odrama will be too busy with other things and won't have time to take too many of our rights away within 4 years time.
I'm really hoping I got this one right.
 
#22 ·
I have seen many people say that Obama will be too busy with other things, there are too many pro-2A Dems, anything that drastic will be a negative thing for them...

I pray you are all right! I fear the socialistic turn as Retsupt99 stated, I know it is coming I just hope it is a post rapture event and I'll be watching and praying from my new home.

My follow up question is am I crazy? I have been collecting topo maps of Texas and surrounding states with plenty of room to disappear in. I am planning on stocking up on MRE or such, which is a good thing to have anyway, in case I have to leave. I have been teaching my kids to find food they can eat, just watch the animals and eat what they do, etc.
 
#21 ·
Whenever there is a presidential election everyone always calls for change. Even when cantidates are being re-elected they promise change but rarely deliver. When the people see what the change is all about they then decide whether it is a good or bad change. Jimmy Carter was elected to change the US into a good and peaceful nation. The people didn't like it. I see some of those same characteristics in Obama that he is proclaiming change and the people are calling for change but have no idea of what kind of change they want or need.

I only hope that he doesn't do more damage than we can straighten out in the next four years. I voted for Jimmy Carter and I think he is a fine man, but a lousy president.
 
#23 ·
I think many of you need to wake up and smell the bull snuff. Instead of names like McCain and Obama, you should be worrying about Bildeberg or Rockefeller. Socialism has been working its way into the US for 100 years, and the threshold will either be crossed or blocked in my lifetime. The Rockefeller family practically owns and runs the entire country. All people of authority come through his education centers, his non-profit organizations, his money. He even admits to working to destroy US sovereignty in his memoirs, preferring the return of the ruling class/serfdom model. There are detailed histories of the Morgan/Rockefeller/Rothschild dynasties all over the place; do yourself a favor and get privy, quick.

US sovereignty barely exists anymore. We send troops into battle all over the world under UN authority. We are at the mercy of the international financiers and their goal of one world, one government. It is achieved by the systematic destruction of a nation's currency, and then the substitution by a regional currency, thus ending nat'l sovereignty without even firing a shot. They are called the money-trust, or the money-changers. They play a significant role in American history, as the US is their last obstacle in their crusade. Why do you think politicians never discuss NAFTA?

The dollar will not survive our current situation, and only a very few politicians who always seem to be labeled "crazy" know what's going on. Even now no listens to them, though they've been harping our current condition for 20 years. Please go to Campaign For Liberty — Home for some great insight from one of the "crazys", as his campaign tries to support Constitutionally-minded individuals running for election and tries to undue our many years of gov't education.

Topo maps are a great idea... I'm a few miles West of you on 380. It's time to get serious. I'm desperately trying to get a battle rifle before the election and before prices soar due to our worthless currency. Saiga's are already up a good 50 bucks from just a few months ago, and the prospect of spending AR money on an AK isn't too appealing, as I can't afford an AR + mags and ammo. Having only a 9mm pistol is not the position I want to stay in much longer.

All this crazy stuff going on in the world right now and people still find the Fabian-Leninist world-view as "outrageously hard to believe"... History is filled with one theme... rich people taking advantage of poor people, and I'm not talking about the CEO of Delta Airlines here. I'm talking about a group of people who always finance both sides of a conflict, taking monetary losses on one side, but political influence on both...

Find out about Carroll Quigley's "Tragedy and Hope". He was Bill Clinton's mentor, and his book is quite informative of the socialist takeover of the US, as he is one of the pigs who supports it.

End rant.
 
#24 ·
Whoever wins the upcoming election is getting a seriously screwed up economy, anti-terrorist fronts and more. This next President will be a one-term President. The chances of getting through that mess successfully and winning re-election are very slim no matter who wins this election.

So, even if Obama wins (and that's not a sure thing), he will face a re-focused Republican party. I'd expect (hope) maybe Bobby Jindal (LA Governor) to head that ticket. Palin will either still be AK Gov or maybe run for the US Senate to shore up her resumé. Obama (with the Dem Congress' help) would have a lot of baggage to defend during a second run for the White House. The Republicans will have a great opportunity with both a Dem Congress and Dem White House to say, "We told you so!" Congressional seats could swing too.

Unfortunately, that scenario suggests that Obama would win THIS time. But not because I didn't vote otherwise.
 
#25 ·
You are right, but this is so easy to prevent. There are 80,000,000+ gunowners in this country. All they have to do is vote for John McCain and problem solved.
Unfortunately, gun owners in key states like Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida are believing Obama when he tells them he's not after his guns. A check into his voting history will show he's a liar, waffler and flip-flopper, but they think he's going to perform a miracle on the economy, give them free medical care, reduce their taxes and end the war, based on nothing but his promise. Impossible if you do the math, but people want to believe regardless of what the cost may be.
Hopefully, two years of socialism may turn enough stomachs that the Republicans take control of congress in 2010.
 
#26 ·
Nothing is certain till the fat lady sings, the question is who is going to be the fat lady? If it is Rosie we are in trouble. I think a lot of people get freaked ou when the news keeps saying Obama is ahead. Stop listening to the news, most are anti and are trying to sway the vote. Regardless who gets in I don't think there will be anything to really worry about till 2012. Whoever gets in will have a whole lot to worry about. If Obama gets in and the antigun people try to pass stricter laws, a lot of the people in office could be voted out in the midterm elections. I am certain at some point regardless of who is elected they will try to push through a bill to tighten restrictions on gun shows, McCain was for tighter laws.
 
#30 ·
There will be no rubber stamp situation with gun-control or other left leaning issues save that one issue (because the next pres will deside at least 2 justices) that can't be mentioned per forum rules. They do have the votes needed for econ. issues.

Right now, they do not have the votes to go far left for anti-gun. We live in an odd political landscape. Many southern democrats are more right then some west coats republicians. On an issue like firearms, you need a 2/3 majority with the political will on the issue.

Get ready for an assault weapon ban of some sort, taxes on ammo, bans on certain types of ammo, etc. Not what we would like to see. But minor levels for next 4 years. Beyond 4, hard to tell.
 
#31 ·
I will be surprised if very many are ready to get into deep gun restrictions with the present political climate. Lately the trend has been a more relaxed climate especially with the Heller ruling so no matter who is elected they are not going to jump into that pit first thing. There are many other pressing issues than gun control but you may see some limited stuff but nothing wholesale for a while. Count the number of states passing Castle Doctrine laws in the past few years and it had nothing to do with the White House. Give full control of everything to the liberals and there may be problems so watch out for your local elections. They are more important than ever.
 
#32 ·
Because of the Constitution the US government does not have the legal ability to give up sovereignty. Only way it would work is if the UN somehow became part of the US and then somehow the current citizens would be out voted.
The U.S. Government has been voluntarily giving up sovereignty for years by members that willing partake of its many schemes in their conquest for world government.

The Congress can legislate whatever it wants with the U.N. using the "treaty" provision granted to it by the Constitutuion. That gives them pretty broad powers to do as they please. All they have to do is get a majority to approve it. Sometimes it is easy, and sometimes it is not.

Obama cares more about the United Nations than he does the United States. Therein lies the real danger to us all.

However, legal rights, like the 2A, are not the same as say, agreeing to use a world currency or agreeing to a UN requirement turning the econ against civilian ammo pricing or chaning international liability / lawsuits to firearm makers.
The U.N. has repeatedly stated its intention of making the private ownership of firearms illegal. Although the U.S. is the last great holdout left in the world, how long would it take with Obama and his minions in office before it becomes just another right that we no longer have?
 
#33 ·
The U.N. has repeatedly stated its intention of making the private ownership of firearms illegal. Although the U.S. is the last great holdout left in the world, how long would it take with Obama and his minions in office before it becomes just another right that we no longer have?
First, the tin foil hat crowd was worried about the fictional North American Union. Now it is the UN. Forget ammo, water and a bug out bag. I need to buy more aluminum foil...
 
#34 ·
First, the tin foil hat crowd was worried about the fictional North American Union. Now it is the UN. Forget ammo, water and a bug out bag. I need to buy more aluminum foil...
Ahhh I see.
Stick your head in the sand and it will all go away.
Or...in your case, wrap your head in foil and all will be well.

I'll have to try that sometime.
 
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