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    AM I CRAZY??? Please read.

    Given the upcoming election I decided to do some digging. Please correct me if at any point i am erroneous in any way.

    FACTS:

    1) More likely than not, Obama WILL be our next president. Giving the Democrats the white house.

    2) Obama believes to be unnecessary for regular citizens and only really wanted by a bitter, ignorant minority.

    3) Joe Biden is radically anti-gun. He claims to have been the Co-creator of the Clinton Assault Weapon ban.

    4) Nancy Pelosi is total willing slave to her party. Increasing the power of the Democrat party is more important than any real issues concerning the country's well being. This applies to the vast majority of the Democrats in the House and Senate.

    5) Most likely, at least 2 Supreme court Justices will retire and be replaced by 2 people that Barack Obama chooses.

    6) The Democrats currently have a majority in BOTH houses of congress.

    7) If the democrats achieve a 60% majority in congress, they will be even be able to override filibusters by the minority party!!

    And now for the Grand Finale...

    8) The WHITE HOUSE will be controlled by Liberal, Anti-gun Democrats.

    9) CONGRESS may be under TOTAL control of liberal, anti-gun democrats.

    10) The SUPREME COURT who barely prevented the 2nd amendment from being 'overturned' when both sides were even, could possibly be controlled by a majority of Liberal Democrats.

    My conclusion:

    We may be on the verge of seeing this country handed over on a silver platter to some of the most entrenched, biased, liberal anti-gunners in US history.
    Liberal anti-gun democrats will have near TOTAL control over All 3 branches of government.


    To me, it is not a question of IF there will be an attempt to enact blanket bans on firearms, firearm registration and blanket confiscation, but WHEN. Maybe 20 years, maybe 40. But our upcoming elected and appointed officials could make major strides in that direction.

    Tell me im wrong. Please.
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    Don't forget that this UNConstitutional loving candidate is foremost...'The Media's Candidate"!!!
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    I keep trying to explain this to the two Obamabots I work with (who are both young and military vets too!) and it's like speaking to a brick wall. They don't want to hear it.
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    Most likely, the only thing they will be able to focus on is the econ. In some ways, feel sorry for what ever party is in power the next 2-4 years. Could turn ugly on them.

    If what you say is true considering the three branches of government, I would point out, that majority Democrat does not = majority anti-gun. There are enough pro-gun Democrats to prevent the swift change.

    In addition, if what you say is true:

    Quote Originally Posted by Slimz13 View Post
    ...Increasing the power of the Democrat party is FAR more important than any real issues concerning the country's well being...
    They will want to keep what power they have. This will include keeping their seats in the house, senate, and even the white house. Big changes would make for a short (less than 2 years) reign.

    Unless! Some type of martial law situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slimz13 View Post
    ...Tell me im wrong. Please.
    If you think they will take away CCW, firearms, and handguns from owners, I think that would be unrealistic (and thus I'm telling you you are wrong). Most will be grandfathered in.

    I do imagine some sort of assault weapon ban would pass. If you consider that a huge issue, then I guess you would be right.

    IMO: Next 2-4 years look for increased taxes / hoops for firearm makers, gun dealers, and ammo. In addition some type of hoop to jump through for "assault" weapons (no mater how stupid the term is).

    Now, 4-8 years, if anti-gun leaders continue with their control, things would get interesting (esp a Pres. that does not have a 3rd term option).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slimz13 View Post
    Given the upcoming election I decided to do some digging. Please correct me if at any point i am erroneous in any way.

    FACTS:

    1) More likely than not, Obama WILL be our next president. Giving the Democrats the white house.

    2) Obama believes to be unnecessary for regular citizens and only really wanted by a bitter, ignorant minority.

    3) Joe Biden is radically anti-gun. He claims to have been the Co-creator of the Clinton Assault Weapon ban.

    4) Nancy Pelosi is total willing slave to her party. Increasing the power of the Democrat party is FAR more important than any real issues concerning the country's well being. This applies to the vast majority of the Democrats in the House and Senate.

    5) Most likely, at least 2 Supreme court Justices will retire and be replaced by 2 people that BARACK OBAMA chooses.

    6) The Democrats currently have a majority in BOTH houses of congress.

    7) If the democrats achieve a 60% majority in congress, they will be even be able to override filibusters by the minority party!!

    And now for the Grand Finale...

    8) The WHITE HOUSE will be controlled by Liberal, Anti-gun Democrats.

    9) CONGRESS will be under TOTAL control of liberal, anti-gun democrats.

    10) The SUPREME COURT who barely prevented the 2nd amendment from being 'overturned' when both sides were even, will probably be controlled by a majority of Liberal Democrats.

    In conclusion:

    We are on the verge of seeing this country handed over on a silver platter to some of the most entrenched, biased, liberal anti-gunners in US history.
    Liberal anti-gun democrats will have near TOTAL control over ALL 3 BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT.


    To me, it is not a question of IF there will be an attempt to enact blanket bans on firearms, firearm registration and blanket confiscation, but WHEN.

    Tell me im wrong. Please.
    I think those politicians you refer to want it,however, public opinion is not with them. They will try some under the radar stuff but anything big will backfire on them.
    As far as SCOTUS goes, aren't the older members of the court also the most liberal ones(Stevens,Ginsburg)? I keep hearing 2 are going to be replaced but they never say which ones. So even if Obama chooses 2, most likely they replace liberals in which case nothing really changes. But yes, SCOTUS is more a worry to me than what the Federal Government can do.
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    I fear a more socialistic form of government in many ways. I don't think that our present gun issues will change much in the next 8 years, but more slowly we could be absorbed into a U.N./One World society (I've read about that somewhere?...it's coming!) where we will all find ourselves surrounded by big brother, working to support the world order...that is, if we are not completely devastated by WWIII and a total collapse of our economic system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    I don't think that our present gun issues will change much in the next 8 years
    Quote Originally Posted by press1280 View Post
    I think those politicians you refer to want it,however, public opinion is not with them. They will try some under the radar stuff but anything big will backfire on them.

    You are correct, anything truly major would be catastrophic for thier party. But that doesnt mean they won't lay the foundation for future laws. Liberties are taken in small steps.. bit by bit. Chiseled away with a file so that few will notice them missing...

    While the extent of what will happen to Gun Rights in the next 4-8 years is unclear.. I seriously doubt it will be anything good. Think about it.. who says the next Assault weapons ban has to have a sunset clause?

    While it wont be the end of the world for Gun owners, it may be another small step or steps in that direction.
    We are only as vulnerable as we are naive.

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    I fear the US will align itself with the UN instead of acting like a sovereign state.
    We all know how the UN feels about firearms and how they want to get rid of them. If your not a member of the NRA or some other gun advocate group nows the time to join folks and stay up on current on your dues these organizations do a great deal in defending our 2and amendment rights !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stetson View Post
    I fear the US will align itself with the UN instead of acting like a sovereign state...
    Because of the Constitution the US government does not have the legal ability to give up sovereignty. Only way it would work is if the UN somehow became part of the US and then somehow the current citizens would be out voted.

    However, legal rights, like the 2A, are not the same as say, agreeing to use a world currency or agreeing to a UN requirement turning the econ against civilian ammo pricing or chaning international liability / lawsuits to firearm makers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slimz13 View Post
    Tell me im wrong. Please.
    Like I keep telling my wife, our worst enemies have been the Republicans. They had the house, the senate, and the presidency. Look what they did with it. They are the reason that the most ultra liberals will undoubtedly be put back in power. If we ever get another chance to be represented by a party with majority power, we need to make sure they represent us in such a way that they can stay in power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slimz13 View Post
    5) Most likely, at least 2 Supreme court Justices will retire and be replaced by 2 people that Barack Obama chooses.
    There is good news: The two justices most likely to retire during Obama's hypothetical tenure, is Stevens (age 88) and Ginsburg (age 75). The remainder range in age from 72-53. Stevens and Ginsburg are liberal in the first place. Obama's potential picks will do no additional harm.

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    AM I CRAZY???

    No, your just mentally disturbed. We don't say crazy these days; it's not PC.
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    I find it difficult to comprehend the ideas some post here about the UN and losing sovereignty. We don't even obey the letter of our treaty obligations with regard to providing consular assistance to foreign nationals accused of crimes. The SC has said this is O.K. So, why do you think they would pay attention to any treaty provisions they find unacceptable?

    Meanwhile, Heller will remain the dominant decision on which all else is based for many many years to come.

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    Crazy?

    Not sure but I predict this thread will go six pages!
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