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    NRA vs. Obama (2A related - All should read)

    The NRA vs. Obama
    by A.W.R. Hawkins

    10/28/2008

    With the 2008 presidential election upon us, the National Rifle Association is making their case against Barack Obama. They unflinchingly describe him as “the most anti-gun presidential candidate in American history” and have dedicated large sums of money to exposing his anti-gun agenda.

    An in-depth look at his record justifies their position. Not only is Obama the economic socialist Rush Limbaugh has said he is, he is also a gun-banning associate of 1960s radicals who cannot wait to take away one of America’s greatest freedoms - - the right to keep and bear arms.

    The NRA points out the fact that Obama supports handgun bans while Obama frequently excuses himself by saying he supports the Second Amendment but believes states, cities, and municipalities should be able to regulate types of handguns and implement local restrictions. (This convolution is an example of the type of reasoning he uses to explain how he can both find handgun bans and the Heller case, which banned handgun bans, to be “reasonable.”)

    But Obama has missed the NRA’s point on this one. They are not simply saying he supports the kind of bans we’ve seen in D.C. and Chicago; they are saying he supports a complete ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of a handgun. And they are right. On March 31, 2008, the Politico revealed that “Obama endorsed a complete ban on all handguns” in a general candidate questionnaire he filled out on September 9, 1995.

    This is why the NRA keeps telling people that Obama talks out of both sides of his mouth. On one hand, he says, “I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms,” while on the other he supports a complete ban on the arms they would bear.

    In the same questionnaire he said he supported mandatory waiting periods for handgun purchases. “Waiting periods” mean that when you go to buy a gun you have to fill out paperwork, go through an FBI background check, and then after passing that, return to the store five days later to pick up your new gun. If you’re a woman being pursued by a potential rapist, you just have to hope the would-be rapist will lie low for five days while you wait to pick up your new means of self-defense.

    Speaking of self-defense, Obama is completely opposed to that as well. In the decades before the Heller decision, many parts of Chicago put handgun bans in place that necessitated making the use of a handgun for self-defense illegal. (Think about it -- how could you legally use an illegal tool to protect yourself?) Proving he meant it when he said states, cities, and municipalities should be able to regulate and restrict the Second Amendment, Obama supported these unconstitutional bans when a 2003 case in Wilmette, Ill. provided him the opportunity to stand up for the “individual right” he also claims to support.

    What happened in Wilmette was simple: a citizen “used a handgun to defend himself from a dangerous repeat offender.” He killed the attacker, and although the killing was ruled an act of self-defense, the innocent man faced jail time for having used a handgun to defend himself. Many Illinois lawmakers realized that such a charge was illogical and moved to change the law so as to allow the use of a handgun for self-defense. And guess what? -- Obama opposed the change in legislation (four times). Did you get that? -- OBAMA OPPOSED LAWS THAT ALLOWED USING HANDGUNS FOR SELF-DEFENSE.

    It appears Obama would have us rely upon the government, via the police force, for our protection. And this is why the pro-gun organization, “Students for Concealed Carry on Campus,” is concerned about an Obama presidency. While writing this article I talked to their president, Michael Guzman, who cited the Wilmette self-defense case and said: “Senator Obama’s time in the Illinois legislature has shown his belief in full reliance upon the government to provide for one’s protection against criminals. We hope he comes to the realization that the police cannot be everywhere at once and that the individual is his or her own first line of defense against a would-be assailant.”

    But if Obama’s record is any indication of things, he’s not going to come to the realization Guzman hopes for. Just think about other aspects of his record as an Illinois senator: He supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park (which is tantamount to banning gun stores period); he supported H.B. 2579, which prohibited law-abiding individuals from purchasing more than one gun a month; he opposed laws that permitted law-abiding citizens to carry firearms for self-defense (i.e., he opposed concealed carry permits); he supported a ban on “junk guns” (cheaper guns that poor people could actually afford to buy and use for self defense); and he voted not to inform gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them (S.B. 1936).

    His U.S. Senate record is just as dismal: He supports the reintroduction of the assault weapons ban; he favors a ban on high capacity magazines; he voted with Ted Kennedy on ammunition bans (that included hunting ammunition); and most troubling of all, he voted against the confirmation of Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito. Roberts and Alito are two of the five justices who upheld the Second Amendment in the Heller case. Just think, if Obama had gotten his way, they wouldn’t have been there, and the Second Amendment wouldn’t be there either.

    The NRA is right to go after this gun grabber. And while political pundits continue to highlight Obama’s dangerous associations with vile humans like Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers, the NRA will be one of the few outlets reminding you that Obama has some equally dangerous anti-gun associations as well. They’ll trumpet the fact that “the Brady Campaign (formerly Handgun Control, Incorporated), [has] endorsed Obama for president.” Which means he can now boast of being endorsed by the same gun control organization that also endorsed “Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), John Conyers (D-N.Y.), Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas), and, of course, John Kerry (D-Mass.), to name [but] a few.”
    “I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry.”
    - Barack Obama Chicago Tribune, April 27, 2004

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    Really? who knew....




    Obama has as much of a chance to take your guns as Bush did to privatize Social Security. Its called a wedge issue for a reason.


    But hey, I am sure the NRA is getting plenty of donations off of this so more power to them if they use the cash to further the Eddie Eagle safety program....

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    Keep it on topic or this thread will go where the others have gone. Discuss politics only as it relates to specifically to gun and in this sub-forum the 2A.
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    63% Say Obama More Likely to Restrict Gun Rights
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    Nearly two-thirds of U.S. voters (63%) say Barack Obama is more likely than John McCain to restrict an individual’s right to own a gun, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.

    Just 16% believe McCain is more likely to do so, and 22% are undecided.

    A plurality of Democrats (42%) agree that Obama is more likely to restrict gun rights, as do 84% of Republicans and 64% of unaffiliated voters.

    As in a survey in June, voters are evenly divided on the need for stricter gun control laws. Forty-three percent (43%) say they are needed, but 44% disagree.

    Sixty-three percent (63%) of Democrats say America needs stricter gun control, but 65% of Republicans take the opposite view. Unaffiliated voters by an eight-point margin do not see a need for stricter laws.

    Sixty-four percent (64%) say the issue of gun control is at least somewhat important to how they will vote, with 32% saying it is Very Important. Just 10% say the issue is not important at all.

    While 39% of GOP voters say gun control is Very Important to how they will vote, only 28% of both Democrats and unaffiliated voters feel the same way. Fifteen percent (15%) of unaffiliateds say it’s not important at all, as do 10% of Democrats and five percent (5%) of Republicans.

    For 62% of those who say they are certain to vote, gun control is at least somewhat important to how they will vote. Eighty-two percent (82%) of first-time voters agree.

    Nationally, Obama has been leading McCain every day for more than a month in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll. He also has a healthy lead in the Electoral College projections.

    (Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls).

    While McCain lays out specific positions on a variety of gun control issues on his campaign website, Obama’s site has nothing on the subject. The Republican opposes stricter gun control laws and approves of the Supreme Court’s recent ruling knocking down Washington, D.C.’s longtime ban on handguns. The Democrat has said that while he agrees with a citizen’s Second Amendment right to own a gun, gun ownership should be “subject to reasonable regulations enacted by local communities to keep their streets safe.”

    In a survey following the high court decision, 58% of voters said McCain agreed with the ruling, but voter were evenly divided on whether Obama agreed with it or disagreed with it.

    Women, who have consistently polled higher for Obama nationwide, put slightly more emphasis than men on the importance of gun control to their vote. Forty-six percent (46%) of female voters support stricter gun control laws versus 41% of men. Forty-eight percent (48%) of men oppose stricter gun control, compared to 39% of women. A majority of women (57%) also say no one in their household has a gun, but only 44% of men agree.

    Among all voters, 46% say someone in their household owns a gun, but 50% say there’s no gun in their home.

    Fifty-two percent (52%) of both Republicans and unaffiliated voters say there is a gun in the house, but 61% of Democrats say there is not.

    The National Rife Association, the influential pro-gun lobby group, says Obama would be the most anti-gun president in U.S. history. Forty-seven percent (47%) of voters have at least a somewhat favorable view of the NRA, including 24% who say their view is Very Favorable. Thirty-six percent (36%) have at least a somewhat unfavorable opinion of the group, with 16% saying that view is Very Unfavorable. Seven percent (7%) are undecided.

    -from rasmussen daily tracking polls
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    Thanks TX, good information you posted !!!
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    ...The NRA is right to go after this gun grabber. And while political pundits continue to highlight Obama’s dangerous associations with vile humans like Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers, the NRA will be one of the few outlets reminding you that Obama has some equally dangerous anti-gun associations as well. They’ll trumpet the fact that “the Brady Campaign (formerly Handgun Control, Incorporated), [has] endorsed Obama for president.” Which means he can now boast of being endorsed by the same gun control organization that also endorsed “Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), John Conyers (D-N.Y.), Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas), and, of course, John Kerry (D-Mass.), to name [but] a few.”

    This alone should get every gun owner out to vote...

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    Osama could easily be defeated, after all there are over 80,000,000 gun owners in America. Unfortunately they vote democrat because "their family has been voting democrat since great grand dads day". If Osama get's in, we have only ourselves to blame.
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    so if elected how long before he acts, and how high will gun sales go before he does?
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    It is my firm belief that [if elected] Obama and his cronies in the Congress will act very soon. I read or heard something somewhere that Nancy Peolosi was already planning on immediate action on certain things.

    I can only imagine gun control measures will be high on their list.
    “I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry.”
    - Barack Obama Chicago Tribune, April 27, 2004

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    Cool

    I haven't been seeing diddly of any ads by the NRA exposing Obama here in NW Florida.
    Has anybody on here seen the NRA making an impression with ads in any of their states, especially Pennsylvania and Ohio?


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