2nd Amendment and Aliens (earthbound type)

This is a discussion on 2nd Amendment and Aliens (earthbound type) within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by bobbocow Don't worry DOG, the sherriff made it quite clear that I wouldn't be getting a "real" CCW. There are different rules: ...

Page 3 of 10 FirstFirst 1234567 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 45 of 144

Thread: 2nd Amendment and Aliens (earthbound type)

  1. #31
    Senior Member Array Al Lowe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Mason, MI, USA
    Posts
    574
    Quote Originally Posted by bobbocow View Post
    Don't worry DOG, the sherriff made it quite clear that I wouldn't be getting a "real" CCW.

    There are different rules: I can't own an
    American-made gun or anything designed by John Moses Browning, and I can't use any caliber starting with a "4". And, if I'm attacked, even in my own house, I'm only allowed to defend myself, my family, and any American-born guests if the BG is another foreigner.

    So it all works out!
    I hope you're kidding.

    Quote Originally Posted by DOGOFWAR01 View Post
    Yes, Second Amendment for Citizens only, the same way it was when our Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment, Bill of Rights, and U.S. Constitution.

    if cannot vote then cannot own or have or carry or whatever with firearms except hunt with a licensed guide - guide furnishes firearm and ammo - guide is responsible for the person. firearm, and ammo
    Considering that non-citizens can serve in the US Military, that's just plain stupid. Rights are rights, and "inalienable rights" are for everyone, regardless of country of national origin.

    Even illegal aliens have rights when they are arrested. Just as any other criminal.

    To deny anyone, who is here legally, their 2nd Amendment rights is plain UN-American.

  2. Remove Ads

  3. #32
    New Member Array bobbocow's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    La Grande, OR
    Posts
    14
    Quote Originally Posted by Al Lowe View Post
    I hope you're kidding.
    Just kidding, yup.

  4. #33
    VIP Member
    Array Hopyard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Disappeared
    Posts
    11,529
    Hybrid, I don't know about the "socialist / communist" agenda stuff; I think that is trotted out for all sorts of stuff where it is irrelevant to the discussion.

    However, you are right that those who support illegal aliens and expansion of various categories of work visas, deliberately use language that confuses ordinary folks about the distinctions between the various categories of immigrant.

    Comparing a permanent resident with a tourist, a foreign student, or an illegal, is a bit like not knowing the difference between a cat and a giraffe.

  5. #34
    Ex Member Array JOHNSMITH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    somewhere
    Posts
    1,726
    Quote Originally Posted by pgrass101 View Post
    And to pual34, you have to have a criminal background check done before you apply for your green card which can take up to 3 years or longer to get.
    Ahh, didn't know that. Thanks for letting me know.

    I guess its worse that I didn't know, seeing as how both my parents immigrated nearly 30 years ago and my dad became a citizen about a decade ago

  6. #35
    VIP Member
    Array Hopyard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Disappeared
    Posts
    11,529

    Immigrant criminal background check

    Quote Originally Posted by paul34 View Post
    Ahh, didn't know that. Thanks for letting me know.

    I guess its worse that I didn't know, seeing as how both my parents immigrated nearly 30 years ago and my dad became a citizen about a decade ago
    My wife is an immigrant from a country which 40 years back had a dictator and a totalitarian government. I have always been "amused" that to obtain a permanent visa to the US, she needed a police clearance from the crooks themselves.

  7. #36
    Member Array diesel556's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Washington
    Posts
    20
    Quote Originally Posted by paul34 View Post
    Ahh, didn't know that. Thanks for letting me know.

    I guess its worse that I didn't know, seeing as how both my parents immigrated nearly 30 years ago and my dad became a citizen about a decade ago
    Not to mention that on top of the normal background check/fingerprinting they take a retinal scan.

    Oh, there is also a compulsory medical examination, and if you are sick you are denied.

    Yeah.

  8. #37
    VIP Member
    Array Hopyard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Disappeared
    Posts
    11,529

    Constitution applies to all present within our borders

    Quote Originally Posted by DOGOFWAR01 View Post
    Yes, Second Amendment for Citizens only, the same way it was when our Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment, Bill of Rights, and U.S. Constitution.
    The BOR applies to all present within our borders. The idea that you had to be a citizen to possess weapons at the start of our country is silly. Plenty of folks just sailed on over, got off the boat, and took up life---though they were not citizens, and visas were unheard of documents at that time.

    I actually somewhat like the idea of limiting cc to citizens, but I don't think it is lawful to do that.

    Again, the first, fourth and fifth portions of the BOR apply to all within our borders, and there is no reason why 2A should be any different.

  9. #38
    Distinguished Member Array bandit383's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Oklahoma
    Posts
    1,681
    I curious why someone who is a permanent resident does not become a US citizen?

    Rick

  10. #39
    Senior Member Array Al Lowe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Mason, MI, USA
    Posts
    574
    Quote Originally Posted by bobbocow View Post
    Just kidding, yup.
    Or, are you kidding now?

  11. #40
    New Member Array jlhinvegas's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Las Vegas
    Posts
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by bandit383 View Post
    I curious why someone who is a permanent resident does not become a US citizen?

    Rick
    I can't answer for all, but my husband is a permanent resident and can not apply for US citizenship for 3 years. (It can be a 5 year wait for others.) He fully intends to apply for citizenship once he passes the waiting period.

  12. #41
    VIP Member
    Array Miggy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Miami-Dade, FL
    Posts
    6,258
    Quote Originally Posted by bandit383 View Post
    I curious why someone who is a permanent resident does not become a US citizen?

    Rick
    It depends. Some just don't want to do the citizenship test or do not have the language skills. Some others do not want to rennounce their original citizenship which would happen if they take the oath here. Some just don't care.
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
    Randy Cain.

    Ego will kill you. Leave it at home.
    Signed: Me!

  13. #42
    VIP Member Array Patti's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    The Show Me State
    Posts
    2,638
    Quote Originally Posted by bandit383 View Post
    I curious why someone who is a permanent resident does not become a US citizen?

    Rick
    Some people don't want to give up their country of birth citizenship. They may still own a home and property "back home" and will want to move back when they retire. They can work in the U.S., get their retirement pension, move back home and live like a king.

    Some don't want to be drafted into service (if the draft is resurrected).

    You'd also be surprised at the number of people who naturalize and move back to India (or wherever). They still get their Social Security checks and live like kings/queens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy View Post
    It depends. Some just don't want to do the citizenship test or do not have the language skills.
    Nope. There are waivers for that.

  14. #43
    Member Array diesel556's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Washington
    Posts
    20
    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    Some don't want to be drafted into service (if the draft is resurrected).

    You'd also be surprised at the number of people who naturalize and move back to India (or wherever). They still get their Social Security checks and live like kings/queens.
    Please check your facts before making biased and incorrect statements of fact. Both legal and illegal immigrants are required to register with the Selective Service.

    "Almost all other male noncitizens are required to register, including illegal aliens, legal permanent residents, and refugees. The general rule is that if a male noncitizen takes up residency in the U.S. before his 26th birthday, he must register with Selective Service."

    Selective Service System: Fast Facts

  15. #44
    Ex Member Array DOGOFWAR01's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    WYOMING
    Posts
    562
    Quote Originally Posted by Al Lowe View Post
    I hope you're kidding.


    Considering that non-citizens can serve in the US Military, that's just plain stupid. Rights are rights, and "inalienable rights" are for everyone, regardless of country of national origin.

    Even illegal aliens have rights when they are arrested. Just as any other criminal.

    To deny anyone, who is here legally, their 2nd Amendment rights is plain UN-American.

    Go back and read the U.S. Constitution. Go back read the basis and thoughts for the U.S. Constitution. Second Amendment is part of the U.S. Constitution. Who could and Who could not own and carry arms in those days ?

    Yes, non-USA-Citizens can and do serve in the U.S. military, they also serve in Iraq and Afghanistan, then they "earn" their U.S. Citizen status. I met several.

    When all the U.S. military troops serving around the world can come back to the USA obtain permits for conceal carry, buy any gun and ammo, they want regardless of the State they live in and regardless of their age then I will re-think the alien and gun issue.

    When all illegal aliens are out the USA and the borders of the USA are "sealed" tighter than Mason jar then I will re-think the alien and gun issue.

    The draft should be put back into effect. All aliens need to serve in the U.S. military if physically qualified, if not serve in the Peace Corps or some other government service for, either way 4 years min before USA Citizenship status.

    And you served in the U.S. military ? And you served in a combat zone ? And you have always been an USA Citizen ?

  16. #45
    Member Array diesel556's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Washington
    Posts
    20
    Quote Originally Posted by DOGOFWAR01 View Post
    And you served in the U.S. military ? And you served in a combat zone ? And you have always been an USA Citizen ?
    I fail to see how his previous and current status both as a citizen and a member of the armed forces are any of our business.

    Knowledge of such is certainly not necessary to "validate" either his or for that matter your opinion.

Page 3 of 10 FirstFirst 1234567 ... LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. 3 Illegal Aliens Try to Rob Off Duty Cop!
    By ExSoldier in forum In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: July 31st, 2010, 11:03 AM
  2. WA Supreme Court: 2nd Amendment applies to the states via 14th Amendment due process
    By ExSoldier in forum The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: April 11th, 2010, 04:35 PM
  3. First Zombies...now ALIENS? What's your gun?
    By ExSoldier in forum Off Topic & Humor Discussion
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: June 22nd, 2007, 09:26 PM
  4. Aliens in Politics?
    By Miggy in forum Off Topic & Humor Discussion
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: January 6th, 2007, 04:27 PM
  5. There were these Two Aliens...and
    By APachon in forum Off Topic & Humor Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: January 24th, 2005, 12:38 PM

Search tags for this page

2nd amendment alien

,

2nd amendment misunderstood

,

a non-immigrant alien may possess a rifle or shotgun for use while hunting provided

,

can a green card holder buy guns in georgia

,

can green card holder buy a gun

,

do resident aleins are protected by second ammendemnet

,

earthbound aliens

,

gun registration las vegas green card holders

,

non immigrant visa with hunting licence chl

,

resident alien with ccl purchase gun

,

resident aliens and the second amendment

,

the question does a nocitizen,have the same rights as a citizen to carry indentication cards

Click on a term to search for related topics.