Brady Campaign Sues To Overturn Park Rule

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natureboypkr View Post
    I really don't hate many people, but The Brady Bunch are an exception.
    +1 on that.
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    Opponents also worry loaded guns will result in more violence between visitors, and increased threats to park wildlife and resources.

    The same, tired, Wild West BS.
    "The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree..."
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    IIRC the new rules are "regulations", which require more effort to change than a mere EO (not trying to start an argument). It's mainly a matter of the bureaucratic effort required to get a change implemented.

    Having said that, a lawsuit might move more quickly than other efforts, so time will tell.

    The assaults against our rights will continue unabated for sure.

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    As my other thread shows, we as CCers commit less crime as a percentage than police officers! Guess the Bradyites need to ban LE from the Parks next. Just for the record, my wife is in LE so nothing bad about LE either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post
    IIRC the new rules are "regulations", which require more effort to change than a mere EO (not trying to start an argument).
    You won't be gettin' any argument from me. I sure as heck don't have all the answers. I just posted what I think.

    You'll note that not only am I NOT a lawyer, but I didn't even stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by NKMG19 View Post
    So if loaded guns in national parks can cause an environmental problem why does it not cause the same problem elsewhere in our society. What environmental problem are they talking about. Florida was supposed to become the wild wild west when our gun laws changed but so far it has not. These idiots know that law breakers will break the law regardless so I don't get their argument.
    I guess their "environmental" concern is that national parks will turn into a giant poaching zone where people come in, shoot random animals, then steal them and sell them on the evil "national park poached animal" black market!

    Of course, as usual, the argument fails to hold up under the lightest of logic. Poachers are universally disliked, and aren't held up by some rule that says they can't carry loaded firearms into a national park. There are also rules about poaching... but it appears they don't follow those, either.

    A law-abiding owner is just that - law-abiding! When will the Bradies ever learn?

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    I belive that EO only pertain to the DOI employees themselves and could only limit the Park Rangers from carrying in a National Park. I could be wrong, but we do have a certain amount of due process to our government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rljohns View Post
    I belive that EO only pertain to the DOI employees themselves and could only limit the Park Rangers from carrying in a National Park. I could be wrong, but we do have a certain amount of due process to our government.
    I just read up on it, although I don't pretend to be a political science expert.

    EO's are designed to address enforcement. If the regulation goes away (as it will) then there won't be anything to enforce. I think this is the real reason for the Brady Bunch to sue. Even an EO won't undo the removal of these regulations. They'll have to issue new regulations. On the other hand, if the Bush admin had used an EO to abandon enforcement, it would be easily undone by the incoming administration.
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    Grasping at straws. I will be looking at how to file a "Friend of the court Brief" (any lawyers on the board?)... As CCW holders, we may qualify to file individual friend of the court briefs.
    The facts are indisputable. There is more data supporting the benefits of Conceal Carry than there is supporting global warming. If you choose ignorance, in light of all the evidence, in order to bolster your irrational fear of guns, you are a greater threat to society than any gun owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biasedbulldog View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but since there's no concealed carry allowed in DC, the rule change makes *no difference* there. Which means that the trip changes had nothing to do with the rule change. Which makes me wonder whether the Philly trip changes are just the same.

    Which reinforces my belief that the Brady Bunch is a deceptive, dishonest, and generally all around distasteful group.
    Additionally, the rule change still doesn't allow for carry into buildings within the parks; only the property. They are just trying hard to sensationalize the issue.
    The Brady's follow the old saying "If you can't fascinate 'em with fact, baffle 'em with Bull "

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    "In addition, the suit claims the new gun rule will diminish visitor enjoyment of parks, and points to school excursions to the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia and the Capitol Mall in Washington, D.C., that have been canceled or curtailed in the wake of the rule change."
    OMG !!!

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    1) Those folks lack standing to sue.
    2) Heller applies in National Parks, since that's territory of the United States, and the Second Amendment applies there.
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    User, Heller doesn't apply outside of the home. Otherwise we wouldn't have a problem with cc in Post Offices and college campuses... Wish it was so...

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    "loaded guns will result in more violence between visitors"

    Criminals (poachers and dopers) are already carrying loaded guns in these parks.

    So here is Brady bunch logic: Violent criminals carry loaded guns. Anyone carrying a loaded gun must be violent. The law must therefore define anyone carrying a gun as a criminal. [Aristotle is rolling in his grave.]

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    How does one conduct an environmental impact study on the difference between a loaded firearm, and an unloaded firearm which was already allowed?
    Sticks

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