Jacksonville FL: We are #1 !!!

Duval County likely No. 1 in murders again | Jacksonville.com

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Rutherford said the department is also involved in a federal study to trace the sources of stolen guns and will promote an awareness campaign to diminish the potential for guns to be stolen. Gun owners will be urged not to leave weapons in cars or in other places where they can be easily stolen, he said.

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I am actually in favor in finding out how criminals get to guns. Having some hard numbers would maybe lead to more sensible controls. The above quote appears to assume that careless legal gun owners are a big source. I have seen other studies (I think ATF) that conclude it is either straw purchases or thefts from gun stores with thefts from private persons in a far third of fourth spot.

Boy, I thought Detroit would always keep that title. Guess everyone is moving down south

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Originally Posted by mi2az

Boy, I thought Detroit would always keep that title. Guess everyone is moving down south

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Jacksonville's rate is the highest in Florida.

It's still nowhere near Detroit's, or DC's.

Matt

Congrats! Hmmm, wait, that's not good!

You know it's funny, one step they said, "...Gun owners will be urged not to leave weapons in cars or in other places where they can be easily stolen, he said..." yet laws require that in many places.

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Originally Posted by Tangle

You know it's funny, one step they said, "...Gun owners will be urged not to leave weapons in cars or in other places where they can be easily stolen, he said..." yet laws require that in many places.

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No, they don't. You could always leave your gun at home, or better yet, destroy it and never buy another one again. That would definitely make the world a safer place.

To put it in perspective to other cities:
United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(the numbers are for 2007, not 2008). According to this list, Jacksonville is #11 in the country. Jacksonville is a bit different in that it includes a lot of rural areas (it is area wise one of the largest cities in the country). Within Florida, it is typically compared to other counties, not other cities. I couldn't find a murder rate for the actual "city".

Regarding the gun thefts from private citizens: I once heard a cop say how they observe that cars in front of post offices are frequently targeted because people leave purses and such behind as they enter the post office. It would be nice to be able to show that it is safer to take a handgun along then leave it in the car. (as Tangle eludes to). GWRedDragon: Yes... there will always be a counter argument :-). But not having the numbers will not matter to those people either.

For several years, among the locals CCW, there is a "joke" about Jax.
"Jacksonville is the extra magazine place".
It seems the military installation attracts bad people and it is very close to the Georgia border. I cannot figure any other reason so far.

Detroit hasn't been the murder capital since the mid 80's that's when the crypts or bloods (I forget) tried to take over the Detroit drug trade and the Detroit "young boyz incorporated" sent them home in body bags, YBI was literally kids many under 12 years old.

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Originally Posted by jfl

For several years, among the locals CCW, there is a "joke" about Jax.
"Jacksonville is the extra magazine place".
It seems the military installation attracts bad people and it is very close to the Georgia border. I cannot figure any other reason so far.

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Downtown Jacksonville has long been the "dumping ground" for a lot of the undesirables of society. A few large homeless shelters and the jail are literally within a block of some new and expensive condominium projects. The city administration is more concerned about encouraging sprawl and due to its size, the city has a habit of just abandoning older neighborhoods and building new "rings" around the city. The focus is more on running a "cheap" city then a functional one (I think tax rates are the second lowest in Florida).

What you safe in taxes, you end up spending in CC gear :-)

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Originally Posted by GWRedDragon

No, they don't. You could always leave your gun at home, or better yet, destroy it and never buy another one again. That would definitely make the world a safer place.

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You are kidding, right???

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Originally Posted by jfl

For several years, among the locals CCW, there is a "joke" about Jax.
"Jacksonville is the extra magazine place".
It seems the military installation attracts bad people and it is very close to the Georgia border. I cannot figure any other reason so far.

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+1

When I visit family there, I leave the little Kel-Tek 380 at home and pocket carry the G26. And I also agree with you regarding having an extra magazine in the car.

While Jacksonville, is the largest metropolitan city in the country, (size, not population) most of the crime, happens in the inner city,and most are drug related.

What I hate about it is, all the off Broadway shows, theater, and football games are all downtown, and while Orlando is closer for us, their crime rate is just as bad.

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Originally Posted by landelmer

You are kidding, right???

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What do you think? :rofl:

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