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    They may survive this attack, but more are coming. I believe our right to carry will eventually be removed.
    Not without a serious fight on their hands. Concealed Carry is a state issue. The Federal Government has no business telling the states that the right to carry will be removed. Even now we are seeing a movement for the states to reclaim their sovereignty, Oklahoma just passed a law confirming it yesterday. Other states are lining up to do the same, just to protect themselves from the silliness in the Socialist Administration.

    Yet, still we have people on this forum that either refuse to see it for what it is, or perhaps are incapable of believing that administration is hostile to the private ownership of guns. Our Attorney General is actually using the feeble excuse that Mexico is complaining of too many guns getting across their borders, yet the Mexicans themselves do NOTHING to stem the tide. That an Attorney General would use that as an excuse is almost too bizarre to even believe.

    A socialist will use ANY excuse to further an agenda and we are just now seeing the first thoughts of the administration. Soon we will be bombarded by the news media telling us that we must pass the assault weapons ban because it is "good" for the nation and the right thing to do.

    Sometime in the future, someone,somewhere will go on a mass shooting spree that kills scores of people and we will hear about if for weeks, everyday. The talking heads on TV will discuss what could have been done to prevent it, and do everything within their power to make the general cannon-fodder public to believe that banning assault weapons is the only thing left to do to make this nation a safer place to live. Its all been done before all over the world and it works. We are the only place left for the act to be performed.

    The amazing thing is this...some people will still fail to see what is happening here. They will choose to remain ignorant because they know that knowing the truth causes them discomfort.

    So, history will again repeat itself.
    Here too, as it has everywhere else.
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    I'm 62, I agree with those that say the eroding may take another generation.
    Although we might see some chicken-dodo rules and regs, I can't believe any state is going to be taking away our right to self-defense anytime soon.
    Florida is pretty good, if things changed, I move to a friendlier climate...TX?
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    I think at the time being...our rights are safe....right now. This administation has "bigger fish to fry" and knows the kind of battle a gun grab would cause right now.
    BUT I DO believe we have to watch them like a hawk. Who knows what kind of legal "end run" they might try in the future. Afterall, what is actually in this bill they just passed. Maybe a future move over the states with the U.N.
    It is OUR job now to watch them and if they make one false move....public protest...outrage and IN MASS.
    Our states rights may be safe from the feds now, but will they be if they give our rights over to the U.N.? Will they let us keep our weapons and just take the ammo? Will they make manditory EXPENSIVE insurance just to own a weapon? I am sure they have other ideas on the burners.
    I am not giving up....I am not freaking out....I am just watching like a hawk.
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    This administation has "bigger fish to fry"
    I don't agree..if this was so, why did they even take the time
    to mention it tonight on CNN? People are already thinking about
    this rest assured. I see an assualt weapons ban coming soon..
    hope I am wrong on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Holliday View Post
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

    Looks like the joke is on all us.

    Did you happen to see AG Eric Holder on Lou Dobbs tonight?

    He said he wants to ban AW and take care of some other gun issues as well
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    The administration is probably just testing the waters. Send the new AG out to make some statements then watch the reaction. No reactions means its safe to act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit51 View Post
    Maybe a future move over the states with the U.N. It is OUR job now to watch them and if they make one false move....public protest...outrage and IN MASS.
    Does this ever end with the frightened, paranoid gun owners? Are there any normal people who own guns? The UN has no authority whatsoever over the United States. They are more irrelevant than ever.

    The AWB is not a new assault of gun rights. In fact, though it is not in the spirit nor the letter of the Second Amendment it is not a step toward disarming the people.

    Our states rights may be safe from the feds now, but will they be if they give our rights over to the U.N.?
    Our rights are God given. They cannot be given to anyone. Many people, including many on this forum, are against states rights. They WANT the Federal government to be the nanny. They whine to the Court and hope some robed elitist will grace them with an opinion with which they agree.

    Will they let us keep our weapons and just take the ammo? Will they make manditory EXPENSIVE insurance just to own a weapon? I am sure they have other ideas on the burners.
    Who is they? Do you not realize that we are the government? They is us.

    I am not giving up....I am not freaking out....I am just watching like a hawk.
    The paranoia on this forum is rather disturbing. No one should ever give up. But tilting at windmills is worthy of Cervantes.

    The real problem is not the scared and irrational fear of gun confiscation, but the real and demonstrated abuse of our tax dollars and our weakened national defense. Most here are missing the real threat. Guns are irrelevant if we are subject to an enemy power.

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    The AWB is not a new assault of gun rights. In fact, though it is not in the spirit nor the letter of the Second Amendment it is not a step toward disarming the people.
    You are kidding right?

    You don't think that banning the ownership of weapons that politicians fear most is a step toward disarmament or the banning of private ownership of weapons?

    If you're really naive enough to believe that, then you aren't any better off than those that you laugh at.


    Guns are irrelevant if we are subject to an enemy power
    The only "enemy power"that gun owners have to worry about right now resides in the White House and those within that plot the demise of the U.S. as we know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    You don't think that banning the ownership of weapons that politicians fear most is a step toward disarmament or the banning of private ownership of weapons?
    No, I don't. Politicians have no fear other than not being re-elected. There is not, nor has their ever been any intent to ban private ownership of weapons. The Second Amendment prohibits infringement by the Federal government, which has been respected (except for a few instances) thoughout our history. More importantly, virtually every state has prohibitions against gun owership infringement enshrined in their respective constitutions.

    If you're really naive enough to believe that, then you aren't any better off than those that you laugh at.
    I don't laugh at the paranoia. I only hope to inject a bit of reality so the groupthink does not consume people to the exclusion of the important issues and challenges we face. Guns are so far down the list as to be negligible in the priority of dangers to our republic.

    The only "enemy power"that gun owners have to worry about right now resides in the White House and those within that plot the demise of the U.S. as we know it.
    The White House has no power with respect to gun ownership. The Administration's very really plot to destruct this great nation should be of the utmost concern. Instead, people are worried about guns. That is the very least of our problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    Why is that your hope? We always have new readers who might not understand that the Second Amendment does not apply to the states.


    Yeah! And there may also be others on here who are utterly misinformed and incorrect in their "understanding" of the Constitution, but ceaselessly promote their completely erroneous jurisprudential position for ulterior motives, and they need more space so that they can confuse and mislead more people! Why would you worry about this discussion occurring again?!


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    I think the best answer to this question is it depends on us as gun owners and if we write our reps and do our part. It boggles my mind how many of my fellow shooters believe that there is nothing to worry about,give me a break. Come on people just ask our friends in great Britain about gun ownership. They'll tell you that the disarming of law abiding British people began much the same it has here.

    And if you read about how guns were ultimately banned in the U.K. you will see staggering similarities to the gun ban people's tactics here. I think if we sit back or bury our heads in the sand then we can kiss gun rights for our kids goodbye. Now the time people we need to make sure our reps hear our voices on this and vote accordingly in 2010. However if we don't act now 2010 maybe be to late for gun rights in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    .... Instead, people are worried about guns. That is the very least of our problems.
    You do realize this is basically a gun forum don't you? I feel there are many, many more important issues as well, but we cannot discuss politics on this forum. We can however talk about guns and gun rights. So to assume we are ignorant or paranoid is a bit shortsighted, not to mention outright distasteful.

    Also, fear can be a great motivator. If people want to fear or have "paranoia" concerning our rights, then let them. Maybe that will motivate them to get involved in contacting legislatures, donating to groups designed to protect our rights, or whatever cause they wish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by concealed View Post
    You do realize this is basically a gun forum don't you? I feel there are many, many more important issues as well, but we cannot discuss politics on this forum. We can however talk about guns and gun rights. So to assume we are ignorant or paranoid is a bit shortsighted, not to mention outright distasteful.
    I am not assuming anything. The paranoia by some is obvious. Of course, this is a gun forum. But that alone does not elevate the issues we are discussing above the real threats to our sovereignty.

    Also, fear can be a great motivator. If people want to fear or have "paranoia" concerning our rights, then let them. Maybe that will motivate them to get involved in contacting legislatures, donating to groups designed to protect our rights, or whatever cause they wish.
    Paranoia is an unhealthy mental state. Our cause is best addressed with rational thought. I don't think it requires fright to objectively determine the best path. In fact, that is usually the worst time to make decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    Paranoia is an unhealthy mental state. Our cause is best addressed with rational thought. I don't think it requires fright to objectively determine the best path. In fact, that is usually the worst time to make decisions.
    I believe a lot of the discussion on here is verbal exageration, and most overstate their fears for the sake of continuing an ongoing discussion. I cannot believe anyone is out there making irrational decisions that are hurting our cause. I give them some credit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    ...Who is they? Do you not realize that we are the government? They is us.
    How do you figure. I do not remember being invited, offered, or asked to vote on anything that when through the Federal Legislature.

    I am not aware of any politician that made it to the hill that has kept their campaign promises. They tell us what we want them to say, then once it is all said and done, it is business as usual, screw the voters, what's in it for me. Who's backside do I have to snuggle up to, to get a percentage.

    Nationwide public outcry about the south of the border illegal immigration, the general consensus of the people is round them up and send them home. So somehow amnesty and citizenship is the answer they come up with.

    Tell me again how "We" are the government and "We" are in control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sticks View Post
    How do you figure. I do not remember being invited, offered, or asked to vote on anything that when through the Federal Legislature.
    In a representative republic, the people elect others that will use their best judgement in governing. The Founders warned against the problems with democracy and were very much against that failed idea.

    Of course, you could run for office and then you could no only vote for legislation but you could propose legislation, as well!

    I am not aware of any politician that made it to the hill that has kept their campaign promises.
    That is because you are inundated with news about the vain narcissists that seem to be a majority. They are vocal and always seeking the camera and microphone. And their only goal is re-election. That is why the budget bill has over 9000 earmarks. Bring the bacon home to your local area. Of course, that is the populist view you seem to support. They are 'representing' their constitutents by promoting programs that will bring employment and improvement to their local areas.

    On the other hand, there are hudreds of representatives that want to do the people's business in a way that furthers the great United States. They work behind the scenes so you really don't hear about them. Jeff Flake, for example, is oe such unselfish representative.

    Nationwide public outcry about the south of the border illegal immigration, the general consensus of the people is round them up and send them home. So somehow amnesty and citizenship is the answer they come up with.
    I am not going to divert the thread to illegals, and yes, most Americans want to round'em up and ship'em home. But we did manage to stop Congress from enacting Bush's plan by a concerted effort of the People. We have built part of the [impotent] fence. The niggest problem is that Mexico is currently awful and the people rightly want to come to America to steal our money.

    Tell me again how "We" are the government and "We" are in control.
    I'm sure I will get another opportunity.

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