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    GUN SHOW BILL PASSED OUT OF COMMITTEE! WE NEED TO STOP IT. ACTION
    ITEM AT END OF THIS ALERT.

    Several Senators changed their vote from last year and voted by the
    narrowest of margins (8-7) to pass Senator Marsh's gun show bill, SB
    1257, out of committee today. :-(

    After Senator Marsh explained his bill to the committee, Marsh called
    the Secretary of Public Safety to speak on the bill's behalf. After
    the Secretary spoke, Senator Stolle grilled him and got the Secretary
    to admit that he had no data to back up his claim that Marsh's bill
    was needed to stop criminals from getting guns at gun shows.

    Each side then got 10 minutes to speak.

    The antis, who believe that every word they say is golden and should
    be savored by all in the room, as usual went way over time. They
    would either be droning on and on or they would be like anti-gun Abby
    Spangler (Stop Easy Guns) and scream at the committee, drowning out
    anti-gun Senator Howell who was trying to tell Abby her time is up,
    and threaten the committee members with political holocaust if they
    don't vote for Marsh's bill.

    Also speaking in favor of Marsh's bill was the Virginia PTA. Parents
    - if you are a member of the PTA, it is definitely time to get out of
    that organization.

    Senator Creigh Deeds then offered an amendment that would exempt CHP
    holders from having to do a background check when purchasing a firearm
    from a private seller. It also exempted antique firearms from needing
    a background check.

    Sorry, Senator, but that is unacceptable. We are not going to support
    a "divide and conquer" plan.

    The amended bill still REQUIRES most gun owners to have a mandatory
    background check when purchasing a firearm in a private transaction.
    And the damage to the gun shows having to setup all kinds of
    procedures to handle those background checks for those who aren't
    exempted will be just as bad as it would be without the exemptions.

    Just because some of us would be exempt means nothing. Permit holders
    will NOT abandon non-permit holders and embrace gun control.

    Senator Edwards offered to completely replace the modified bill with
    one that simply allowed for private sellers to have the OPTION of
    running a background check on the person they were selling a gun to.
    That bill substitution failed.

    Finally the bill came up for a vote with the Deeds amendment. Before
    the vote, Senator Norment chastised the antis for their behavior. He
    said that they hurt their own cause.

    Norment looked at the antis and said that he did not appreciate being
    threatened politically. He then said that he would vote for Marsh's
    bill anyhow!!!

    So Norment basically gave the antis a signal that if they were abusive
    toward him, they would get their way.

    Even anti-gun Senator Saslaw dressed down the anti-gunners - that's
    how bad they were.

    Here is the vote. Three Senators who claim to be pro-gun sold you
    out - Quayle, Norment, and Deeds. The rest who voted wrong, always
    vote wrong:

    Voting anti-gun:

    Marsh (D), Salsaw (D), ***Quayle (R)***, ***Norment (R)***, Howell
    (D), Lucas (D), Puller (D), ***Deeds (D)***

    Voting pro-gun:

    Stolle (R), Edwards (D), Reynolds (D), Cuccinelli (R), Obenshain (R),
    McDougle (R), Hurt (R)

    --

    Two other gun bills came up this morning, with more shenanigans by
    Senator Marsh, the committee chairman.

    Senator Watkins’s bill that would make raise the gun purchase
    background check tax by 150%, SB 1166, also passed. Senators
    Cuccinelli and Stolle grilled Senator Watkins on his bill. The
    committee chair, anti-gun Senator Marsh, did not allow any public
    input and the bill passed out of committee without allowing me to
    comment on it. This bill is bad and needs to be stopped.

    Here is the vote on SB 1166. Four Senators who claim to be pro-gun
    voted wrong - Quayle, Norment, Stolle, and Deeds. The rest who voted
    wrong, always vote wrong:

    Voting against gun owners - Marsh (D), Saslaw (D), ***Stolle (R)***,
    ***Quayle (R)***, ***Norment (R)***, Howell (D), Lucas (D), Puller
    (D), ***Deeds (D)***

    Voting with gun owners - Edwards (D), Reynolds (D), Cuccinelli (R),
    Obenshein (R), McDougle (R), Hurt (R)

    --

    Finally, Senator Marsh's concealed weapon bill that makes various
    changes to Virginia’s concealed weapon laws came up today. Senators
    Norment and Stolle grilled the witness for the bill, Lt. Col. Robert
    Kemmler with the Virginia State Police.

    Stolle suggested that the *requirement* for training be dropped!

    The committee discussed what that might do to reciprocity and they
    decided to investigate that and look at the idea again next year.

    The committee did vote to drop the wording that bans online training,
    as suggested by Senator Stolle. Senators Stolle and Cuccinelli tried
    to substitute Cuccinelli’s wording that specifically says that online
    training is OK, but that was rejected.

    I stood up to speak on the bill and Senator Marsh was about to start
    the vote without giving me a chance to speak.

    Senator Reynolds stopped the vote to make sure I had a chance to speak
    - Senator Marsh looked like he had just ate a huge lemon. He wanted
    desperately to ignore me and it didn't work. ;-)

    I objected to out of state permits and non-resident permits that
    already have photos be required to show yet another form of photo-id.

    The bill, minus the wording banning online training, but with the
    absurd double photo-id requirement still in tact, passed out of
    committee unanimously.

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    ACTION ITEM ON GUN SHOW BILL

    This is the third time in history that the gun show bill has made it
    out of committee - in this case it just barely squeaked out.

    As in the past, we need to make sure that the bill dies on the Senate
    Floor and time is of the essence.

    We NEED TO contact our Senators and make sure that friends, family,
    and coworkers do the same.

    To send a message to your Senator to kill Marsh's gun show bill, SB
    1257, click here:

    VCDL's 2008 "Write Your Legislators" Tool

    --

    URGENT ACTION ITEM FOR CONSTITUENTS OF DEEDS, NORMENT, QUAYLE

    If you are a constituent of Senator Deeds, Norment or Quayle, you need
    to let them know that their support for gun control is unacceptable.

    Here is their email addresses and phone numbers:

    Creigh Deeds
    district25@senate.virginia.gov
    804-698-7525

    Thomas K. Norment
    district03@senate.virginia.gov
    804-698-7503

    Frederick M. Quayle
    district13@senate.virginia.gov
    804-698-7513

    Suggested email:

    Senator,

    As a constituent, I am very disappointed in your vote to support gun
    control. Senator Marsh's bill SB 1257, which forces background
    checks on all private sales at a gun show, is still a bad bill, even
    with an exemption for concealed handgun permit holders and antiques.

    This bill is going to damage an important business in Virginia, gun
    shows, and will have nothing to show for it in reduced crime.

    Instead, it lays the foundation for a private sale registration scheme
    requiring all private sales no matter where they take place to go
    through a dealer.

    I urge you to drop your support for this atrocity and vote against the
    bill on the Senate Floor.

    Please let me know what you are going to do to correct your bad vote.

    Sincerely
    [YOUR NAME]
    [YOUR ADDRESS]



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    dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to
    Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.
    BTW -- I have already sent the email.
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    Thumbs down Anti-Gun RT Weighs in.

    Gun show bill wins Senate committee approval - Roanoke.com

    Gun show bill wins Senate committee approval
    First hurdle cleared, but effort to close gun-show “loophole” faces difficult prospects before full Senate and House of Delegates committee.
    By Michael Sluss

    RICHMOND – A Senate committee this morning endorsed legislation that would require criminal background checks for nearly all firearms purchased at gun shows, advancing a bill advocated by families and survivors of the 2007 Virginia Tech shootings.

    The Senate Courts of Justice Committee’s 8-7 vote advanced Senate Bill 1257 to close Virginia’s so-called “gun show loophole,” requiring the same criminal background checks for private sales at gun shows that must be done for transactions by federally licensed dealers.

    The bill failed to advance beyond committee last year. But two Republicans who voted against the bill last year – Thomas Norment of Williamsburg and Frederick Quayle of Suffolk – cast deciding votes that sent the bill to the floor.

    “I always vote my conscience,” Norment said after the committee heard testimony on the bill.

    Democrats John Edwards of Roanoke and Roscoe Reynolds of Henry County and Robert Hurt of Chatham voted against the bill. Democrat Creigh Deeds voted for it after attaching amendments that create exceptions for buyers with concealed carry permits and for sales of antique weapons.

    Gov. Tim Kaine and families of the Tech shooting victims have advocated for the legislation, arguing that broader background checks are needed to deny felons and those with dangerous mental illness an easy avenue to firearms. Opponent said the bill have questioned the measure’s effectiveness and warned that it could lead to restrictions on all private gun transactions.

    Even if the full Senate passes the bill, the measure would face an uphill fight in the House of Delegates. A House committee killed an identical bill last year by a decisive measure.

    Momentum for the legislation appeared to stall earlier this month when the Virginia State Crime Commission deadlocked on the measure. Joseph Samaha, whose daughter Reema was killed in the Tech shootings, said he remained hopeful that the bill would pick up support.

    “The country is changing,” Samaha said. “The state of Virginia is changing.”
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    GUN SHOW ACTION ITEM

    Just learned that some people are having a slow response from the URL to send a message to Senators on opposing Marsh's gun show bill, SB 1257.

    Just received the following from VCDL

    Here is a direct link if you have been having such a problem:

    VCDL's 2008 "Write Your Legislators" Tool

    This is very URGENT as the gun show bill could come up for a vote on
    the Senate Floor THIS THURSDAY!
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    Post More from RT

    Here is more.

    This may be vote on Thursday. If you are a Virginia member, please get involved.

    State Senate panel endorses gun show checks bill
    The legislation has faced opposition before and still may not get sufficient support.
    By Michael Sluss
    (804) 697-1585


    RICHMOND -- A closely divided Senate committee voted Monday to endorse a bill requiring criminal background checks for nearly all firearms transactions at gun shows, advancing legislation advocated by families of the 2007 shooting victims at Virginia Tech.

    But supporters of the bill still face an uphill fight getting it through the General Assembly.

    By a vote of 8-7, the Senate Courts of Justice Committee backed a bill (Senate Bill 1257) aimed at closing Virginia's so-called "gun show loophole." The bill, sponsored by Sen. Henry Marsh, D-Richmond, would require the same instant background checks for private transactions that must be done for sales by federally licensed dealers at the same events.

    The legislation contains exceptions for gun buyers with concealed carry permits and for sales of antique weapons.

    The same Senate panel defeated an identical bill last year, when it had strong backing from Gov. Tim Kaine and families of the Tech shooting victims. Two Republicans who voted against the bill last year -- Sen. Thomas Norment of Williamsburg and Sen. Frederick Quayle of Chesapeake -- cast deciding votes Monday that advanced it to the full Senate.

    Norment said he considered the gun show loophole "a bigger perceptual issue than it is an issue in actuality."

    "But having said that, so many of the citizens have voiced an outcry over the way that they perceive it that I've just come to the conclusion that it is an issue in the minds of so many Virginians, so let's just close the loophole," Norment said.

    The committee's vote may provide only a short-term victory for the bill's supporters. Even if the full Senate passes the bill, the measure would face resistance in the House of Delegates. A House committee stacked with pro-gun lawmakers killed an identical bill last year by a decisive margin.

    But Joseph Samaha, whose daughter Reema was killed in the April 16, 2007, shootings at Tech, said Monday's vote was significant.

    "The country's changing, the state of Virginia is changing, their constituency is changing," Samaha said. "It's not over, but it's a step forward, and that's where the hope comes in."

    Seung-Hui Cho, who killed 32 people and himself on the Tech campus, did not obtain his firearms at gun shows. He was able to buy them from licensed dealers because information about his involuntary mental health treatment had not been entered into the database used to check records of potential gun buyers, a loophole that lawmakers closed last year.

    Supporters of Marsh's bill insist that broader background checks at gun shows are needed to further deter criminals and those with dangerous mental illnesses from getting firearms. Opponents question whether the additional records checks would be effective and warn that the legislation could be a first step toward restricting all private sales.

    "The implication here is that there's something magic that's been given to gun shows," said Philip Van Cleave, president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. "There is nothing."

    Van Cleave called the committee's vote "a squeaker" that does not represent a dramatic momentum shift for the legislation.

    Democrats John Edwards of Roanoke and Roscoe Reynolds of Henry County and Republican Robert Hurt of Chatham voted against the bill. Democrat Creigh Deeds of Bath County voted for it after attaching amendments that create exceptions for buyers with concealed carry permits and for sales of antique weapons.

    "We can all agree that keeping firearms out of the hands of convicted felons and the mentally ill is in the interest of public safety," said Deeds, a candidate for governor. "This measure will help keep Virginia safe while protecting law-abiding citizens' Second Amendment rights."

    Edwards proposed a substitute measure that would give private vendors access to criminal records checks on a voluntary case-by-case basis through licensed dealers. Edwards said he has heard from private sellers who would like to have records checks done for transactions they conduct with strangers, but still want the freedom to sell and trade with friends and relatives.

    "Many of them know each other," Edwards said. "They don't see why they should have to do a background check on someone they know."

    Reynolds' district includes Hillsville, which has a major gun show every year. But Reynolds said he also heard objections to the bill from law enforcement officials "including several in the district that I represent."

    Norment questioned the link between the Tech shootings and the gun show legislation, but said students and families affected by the campus shootings are effective advocates for the bill.

    Lily Habtu of Woodbridge, who was shot twice at Norris Hall and still has a bullet lodged near her brain stem, said she will continue to speak out for the bill.

    "If talking will help sway more people, then I will definitely show up," she said.
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    The lying no good weasels using VA Tech as an excuse are a disgrace. Cho didn't buy any weapons at a gun show, nor did he buy anything private sale. They're just using more fear-mongering...and apparently successfully!
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