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Virginia Restaurant ban repeal

This is a discussion on Virginia Restaurant ban repeal within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by packinnova You can't fix stupid Yes you can, sometimes. Organize and get out the vote. dave...

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    Quote Originally Posted by packinnova View Post
    You can't fix stupid
    Yes you can, sometimes.

    Organize and get out the vote.

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    This bill is long overdue. I just returned from a trip to Missiouri. Traveling by car thru West Virginia, Kentucky, Indiana, Illinois, and Missouri, I enjoyed more rights and freedoms thru reciprocity than I do in my home state.

    Only in Illinois were my rights trampled. I had to disarm at the border on both sides of the state.

    That is sad.

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    I don't like the notification part.

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    I really feel sorry for you all in VA(and other states that have weird requirements) .
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    gun bunny, your condolences are appreciated.

    yes, it's a silly clause, no doubt meant to ensure the abc manager knows that you are not to be served or drinking. To that end, it has the same effect as OC would to any observant employee who would see your weapon and know not to serve you. If someone were CC and started drinking, got drunk, biligerent, etc...the situation goes downhill fast. Most people who CC are responsible enough to not drink on their own accord, but since politicians almost never give citizens credit for personal responsibility, I can understand the concession (but still don't support it).

    So, if we get this bill through, will it be then impossible to muster enough support to eventually strike through the notification clause? And to that extent is it worth it to tell your representatives to pass it? I think this is a step in the right direction and we should push for it.

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    The notification part of the bill is an embarrassment to the politicians of Virginia. It accomplishes nothing other than to make more people OC, which I an not a proponent of. The arguments against CC by the antis are so outlandishly stupid, that I am embarrassed to have these legislatures represent the state of Virginia.

    My plan. Conceal carry to my seat. Leave in my IWB and untuck at table making it OC. When the bill comes have waiter/waitress notify ABC manager, or have him/her come to table. Conceal again and leave restaurant.

    Sounds ridiculous, but without debating the issue, I am strongly against OC. Of course my actions are certainly less ridiculous than the rule itself.

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    Like all of you, I think this is so ridiculous! I've been in a lot of restaurants that serve alcohol, and bars too while carrying concealed. I never drink and carry or drive for that matter, I go for the food! But I just can't see the point, make it illegal to drink while carrying, that's all, everything else is non-sense! there are a lot of states that allow you to carry concealed in places that serve, and "the streets are not red with blood"! Does anyone bring that up to these bone-heads?
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    Get to Work

    Find this item at this link.
    Virginia Senate to Vote on Right-to-Carry Reform Measure Tomorrow!


    Tomorrow, Tuesday, February 3, the Virginia Senate will vote on Senate Bill 1035.

    Sponsored by Senator Emmett Hanger, Jr. (R-24), SB1035 would permit a Right-to-Carry permit holder to carry a concealed firearm into a restaurant, provided they notify a designated employee that they posses a concealed handgun and do not consume any alcohol. This bill is similar to last year’s bill that was passed and ultimately vetoed by Governor Tim Kaine (D).

    Currently, concealed carry permit holders dining in restaurants that serve alcohol must leave their firearm at home or locked in their vehicle where it is at risk of being stolen. Despite passing a background check and possessing a state issued permit to carry, law-abiding permit holders are forced to give up their right to self-defense when dining in establishments that serve alcohol. The need for this legislation is clear.

    Please contact your State Senator TODAY and respectfully urge them to support SB1035. Contact information can be found by clicking here. You may also contact your Senator at their Richmond office at (804) 698-7410 or (804) 698-1470.


    While this legislation is clearly important to law-abiding gun owners of the Old Dominion, please do not forget to make your voices heard in opposition to Senate Bill 1257 which could also be voted on tomorrow. For more information on SB1257 and how to take action against it, please click here.

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    He must also notify the on-duty ABC manager at the restaurant that he is carrying concealed. Failure to do so is a Class 3 misdemeanor (a fine/but no jail, if convicted).
    I can see it now:
    CCer: Sir I need to inform you I have a gun...
    restaurant worker: GUN! GUN! THE MAN HAS A GUN!

    All it would take is the wrong wording and another law abiding citizen gets screwed.


    First a representative from the Alcoholic Beverage Commission said, "We are concerned that this is a public safety issue... What if someone carrying concealed has their gun taken away from the by a drunken customer and used to shoot someone.
    Since the gun is concealed the drunk wouldn't even know it was there, unless drunks in Virginia have x-ray vision. I would think the guy legally open carrying would be the "Bigger Safety Risk."
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    Thumbs up Another victory today

    VA-ALERT:

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    Another victory today - Senator Hanger's restaurant ban repeal passed the Senate by 24 to 16!

    More details later tonight.


    Here are more details, from Phil:

    Senator Hanger's restaurant ban repeal bill, SB 1035, passed out of
    the Senate today and will make its way to the House and the process
    begins again. We will continue to follow the bill's progress and let
    you know what to do next.

    Here are the Senators who voted PRO-GUN, in support of SB 1035 (NOTE:
    Senator Marsh claims he didn't mean to vote pro-gun on this bill):

    Cuccinelli, Deeds, Edwards, Hanger, Houck, Hurt, Marsh, Martin,
    McDougle, Newman, Obenshain, Petersen, Puckett, Quayle, Reynolds,
    Ruff, Smith, Stolle, Stosch, Stuart, Vogel, Wagner, Wampler, Watkins

    Here are the Senators voting ANTI-GUN:

    Barker, Blevins, Colgan, Herring, Howell, Locke, Lucas, McEachin,
    Miller, J.C., Miller, Y.B., Norment, Northam, Puller, Saslaw, Ticer,
    Whipple
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    My email to Senator Miller:

    Senator Miller,

    I’m highly disappointed in your recent vote against SB 1035. As you are well aware, concealed permit holders are among the most law-abiding citizens in the country. This fact is evidenced by the number of permits that have been revoked nationwide…a number that is somewhere in the hundredths of a percentage point. I can legally carry a concealed handgun to defend myself and my family in our Commonwealth. I resent giving up that right when I enter a restaurant. Leaving my gun in a car is a risky proposition; carrying concealed in a restaurant is not.

    I currently live in Richmond but am moving to your district at the end of the month. As a graduate of (a local) High School and an active military member, I have extensive contacts in the area. I am also politically active in Richmond and have every intention of getting involved in my new district. I look forward to working towards having a State Senator that respects the wording and intent of the 2nd Amendment and my rights as a law-abiding citizen of Virginia.

    Sincerely,


    xxxxxxx

    I'm confident in my ability to get several hundred voters to vote against this guy in my old hometown. His district has some conservative parts, but does include Newport News and Hampton City. Maybe those two cities would have less crime if more law-abiding citizens carried.

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    Are you friggin kidding me ?????????????????????? This is even a debate. What the @#$@# is so special about a restaurant that serves alcohol. IF it's an irresponsible gun owner, then take away their right to carry and charge them... but leave everyone else alone.

    We had a stupid law.... if they serve 49% alcohol / 51% food it's a restaurant, and the other way around is a bar. They made it illegal to carry in a bar. That caused all kinds of issues, so it was changed and now it's if they don't want you to conceal carry they have to post at the door..... with a legitimate approved "no conceal carry" sign. Otherwise, you are legal to carry in either.

    They really are stuck in the Old West, aren't they .... this is a joke guys. Any "responsible" owner is not going to drink and carry, and you haven't been irresponsbile or you would have never gotten the conceal carry permit. If someone is irresponsible, then deal with them..... don't kill the whole herd becasue one cow coughed.

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    I don't understand the problem with notification that you are carrying a conceal weapon. Just wear a bright orange shirt or vest when you enter that says "CONCEAL WEAPON ON BOARD" or "CARRYING CONCEAL WEAPON" in large letters.
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    I agree this is a stupid requirement...hopefully one that will go away while in committee. But....if you had to go along with this farce...

    How about a registered letter notifying them of your intent to conceal carry....

    You know they will circular-file the letter.

    They want to play dumb? You keep a copy of the receipt with the copy of the letter. The burden is on them....again, the law does not specific when or how to notify the "on-duty ABC manager"....

    Someone needs to flog the ABC idiots for this idiotic requirement. They pretty much need to stay the heck out of any legislation that does not include the sale or purchase of alcohol.
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    Holger, great letter. If it's alright with you I'm going to shamelessly plagerize it (after editing the full on political involvement part) and send it on to my ANTI state senator.

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