Virginia Senator Anti-Gun...Gun Show Loophole

Virginia Senator Anti-Gun...Gun Show Loophole

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    Virginia Senator Anti-Gun...Gun Show Loophole

    On January 26, 2009 Democratic Virginia State Senator Creigh Deeds, one eye on the Governor’s mansion, and the other eye on the TV cameras, cast the deciding committee vote to advance a bill to ban private gun sales at gun shows in Virginia. But first Deeds ensured the success of the bill by amending it to exempt both antique firearms and concealed handgun permit holders. See the bill and the amendments.

    There is of course, no gun show “loophole” to close, just freedom on the chopping block once again.

    All gun dealers at gun shows already run background checks. And Virginia is just like most states where private gun owners may make occasional sales or trades from their personal gun collection anywhere they choose without being considered a “dealer” required to perform background checks and keep intrusive records of the sale (i.e., decentralized registration). Of the 15 states that do impose some restrictions on private gun sales, most exempt long guns, and only 5 states single out gun shows for special restrictions.


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    Here is the reply i got after i called several representatives.......


    "COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA
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    206 SOUTH MAIN STREET. SUITE 20.3 GENERAL LAWS
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    THIRTIETH DISTRICT .I AND NATURAL RESOURCES
    January 29, 2009 SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY

    Dear Mr. W.

    Thank you for your recent telephone call to my Richmond office. I appreciate knowing of
    your opposition to Senate Bill 832 and Senate Bill 1053, Please know that I share your
    opposition to these measures.

    I can also share with you that these bills were defeated in the Senate Local Government
    Committee on January 27,2009. Please know that I consider protecting the rights of law-abiding
    gun owners to be an important part of my work as your Delegate. Further I agree with you that
    the enforcement of our existing laws should be a priority.

    Again, thank you for your recent phone call.
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    DISTRICT: (540) 825-6400 .RICHMOND: <804) 698-1030 .E-MAIL: DELESCOTT@HOUSE.STATE.VA.US"

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    More from NRA-ILA_Alerts

    More from NRA-ILA_Alerts this time.



    Please Continue Contacting Your State Senator!

    Today's vote on Senate Bill 1257 was delayed once again. The bill could be voted on by the full Senate as soon as tomorrow, Tuesday, February 3. Thanks to your dedicated action and calls, gun-grabbing advocates are scrambling to find votes for SB1257.

    SB1257 would impose sweeping restrictions on our Second Amendment rights and set the stage for a ban on all private firearm sales in Virginia. Senate Bill 1257 would require that all firearms transactions taking place at gun shows be subjected to background checks, even those occurring between family and friends. Any violations would be a felony and could result in the loss of your gun rights.

    If passed, this bill will set the stage for a ban on all private firearms sales in Virginia that don't go through a dealer, as gun ban advocates will no doubt call for a ban on private sales as well.

    The bill would also require gun show promoters to register anyone wishing to sell a firearm at a gun show, including private citizens, as a "vendor". Gun show promoters would be required to maintain that registry for four years following the date of the gun show and transmit the name and address of any "vendors" (anyone selling a firearm) to law enforcement. The names and addresses of those selling a firearm at a gun show would be available to the public.

    YOUR CALLS ARE WORKING! It is imperative that you immediately contact your State Senator at their Richmond office at (804) 698-7410 or (804) 698-1470 and ask them to oppose Senate Bill 1257. More contact information for your State Senator can be found by clicking here.
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    More from VCDL Alerts.

    More from VCDL Alerts.

    SENATOR MARSH'S GUN SHOW BILL VOTE IS DELAYED AGAIN

    Senator Marsh on the Senate Floor asked that his gun show bill, SB
    1257, be passed by for the day again - thus avoiding a vote on that
    bill today.

    What does that mean?

    Probably that he can't get enough votes to pass the bill.

    The other two times this bill has made it to the Floor of the Senate
    over the years, this was how it worked out: they kept passing it by,
    hoping to find more votes and they kept losing votes the longer they
    delayed.

    If you haven't contacted your Senator to oppose SB 1257, do so now!
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    Thumbs up Killed

    VA-ALERT:
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    Senator Marsh's Gun show bill, SB 1257, was just killed on the Senate Floor with 22 voting against the bill and 18 voting for it!

    Great work VCDL!

    Details to follow later.
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    great job to all who contributed....

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    Dang it -- It must have nine lives

    VA-ALERT:
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    In a parliamentary move, the gun show bill's vote was reconsidered and
    passed by for the day, effectively bringing it back from the dead and
    allowing the bill to be voted on again on the Senate Floor (perhaps
    tomorrow). :-(

    So we must keep the pressure on until this atrocity is truly dead and
    buried.

    We must make sure that we don't lose any of the Senators who opposed
    the bill today.

    I'll have more later.



    From NRA Alerts:

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    Please Continue Contacting Your State Senator!
    On Tuesday, February 3, the Virginia Senate voted 18-22 to defeat Senate
    Bill 1257. However, the Senate then voted to reconsider the bill as
    early as tomorrow. SB1257 remains a serious threat to our rights.
    Since the Senate may reconsider SB1257 as early as tomorrow, it is
    important that you contact your State Senator immediately. Please ask
    your Senator to oppose SB1257 in any form, without any amendments or
    substitutes.

    SB1257 would impose sweeping restrictions on our Second Amendment rights
    and set the stage for a ban on all private firearm sales in Virginia.
    Senate Bill 1257 would require that all firearms transactions taking
    place at gun shows be subjected to background checks, even those
    occurring between family and friends. Any violations would be a felony
    and could result in the loss of your gun rights.

    If passed, this bill will set the stage for a ban on all private
    firearms sales in Virginia that don't go through a dealer, as gun ban
    advocates will no doubt call for a ban on private sales as well.

    The bill would also require gun show promoters to register anyone
    wishing to sell a firearm at a gun show, including private citizens, as
    a "vendor". Gun show promoters would be required to maintain that
    registry for four years following the date of the gun show and transmit
    the name and address of any "vendors" (anyone selling a firearm) to law
    enforcement. The names and addresses of those selling a firearm at a gun
    show would be available to the public.

    It is imperative that you contact your State Senator IMMEDIATELY at
    their Richmond office at (804) 698-7410 or (804) 698-1470 and ask them
    to oppose Senate Bill 1257 without any amendments or substitutes. More
    contact information for your State Senator can be found by clicking
    here.
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    Exclamation Once more into the breach

    Virginia members: Let's crank up the emails:

    VA-ALERT:
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    URGENT ACTION ITEM BELOW:

    Senator Marsh's gun show bill, SB 1257, was brought back from the dead
    by Senator Colgan (Democrat - Manassas), who claimed to have voted
    against the bill by mistake and wanted to change his vote. That
    opened the door for Senator Marsh to ask that his bill be passed by
    for the day.

    Senator Marsh is probably looking to water down his bill in hopes that
    he can get enough votes to pass it tomorrow.

    URGENT ACTION ITEM

    We all need to contact our Senators and ask them to not support SB
    1257, even if it gets watered down. We must do this NOW, the vote
    could be tomorrow (Wednesday, Feb 3rd).

    To send a message to your Senator, click here (both links go to the
    same place):

    VCDL's "Write Your Legislators" Tool

    VCDL's "Write Your Legislators" Tool
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    Done again. With all my letters and emails, the letters they must send back to me are going to make the Virginia budget crisis worse!

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    This is one of those things that perturbs me. HOW THE FLYING FLYFISHERMEN does that equal grounds to pass the bill that's already been voted on so they can revote?

    OK so what if Colgan decided he fouled up and voted incorrectly. That changes dip. So give him his flippin vote back. Change his official vote in the record from NAY and the bill is still killed 21 - 19. This is the kind of arrogant pompous rule bending that needs to stop...IN ALL ASPECTS, not just for the 2nd related bills.

    If we can just revote on anything that was already passed or killed at whim just because someone changes their mind after the fact, where does it stop?
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    RT article

    Gun control bill defeated by Senate - Roanoke.com

    Gun control bill defeated by Senate
    Lawmakers revisited the vote and postponed further action, allowing the bill to be altered.
    By Michael Sluss and Mason Adams | The Roanoke Times

    RICHMOND -- The Virginia Senate defeated legislation Tuesday to require criminal background checks for all firearms sales at gun shows, but used a procedural move to keep the bill alive and allow its sponsor to revamp it.

    Senate Bill 1257, aimed at closing the so-called "gun show loophole," failed on a 22-18 floor vote. Five Democrats crossed party lines to vote "no," while two Republicans joined the remaining Democrats in favor of the bill.

    Nearly an hour after the vote, however, legislators reconsidered the vote and then postponed further action on the bill. That leaves the measure alive, but its advocates must persuade at least three of the "no" votes to switch in order to get it passed.

    The bill's sponsor, Sen. Henry Marsh, D-Richmond, said he hopes to rework the bill to do just that.

    "The bill's coming back, but I don't know in what form," Marsh said.

    Gun control advocates have tried for years to get legislators to approve bills like Senate Bill 1257, only to see them die in committees. The bill got a push last year, however, when Gov. Tim Kaine made it a priority after the April 16, 2007, mass shootings at Virginia Tech that left 33 students and faculty dead.

    Advocates of Marsh's bill say it would close a loophole that allows unregulated private sales at gun shows, giving potential buyers with criminal records or dangerous mental illnesses an avenue to avoid an instant background check. Opponents, however, argue that the legislation is unnecessary and could lead to measures that would prohibit all private firearms transactions.

    Marsh said he is considering a few alternatives to his original bill, including a proposal that would give private gun show vendors access to criminal records checks on a voluntary case-by-case basis through licensed dealers.

    Sen. John Edwards of Roanoke -- one of three Western Virginia Democrats who voted against the bill -- proposed the same alternative last week to the Senate Courts of Justice Committee and had hoped to debate the idea on the Senate floor.

    "It's a compromise," Edwards said. "If it's voted on, I think it could be passed by the Senate."

    Edwards said he has heard from private gun sellers who would like to have records checks done for transactions they conduct with strangers, while maintaining the freedom to sell and trade with friends and relatives. Edwards said the proposal would strengthen efforts to keep guns away from criminals and the mentally ill, even if it doesn't go as far as Marsh wanted.

    But even Marsh acknowledged that Edwards' proposal could pick up enough votes to pass.

    "That's one version that probably would have a chance of getting out," he said.

    Some surviving victims and relatives of those killed in the Virginia Tech shootings have lobbied on behalf of Marsh's bill.

    Three of them -- Andrew Goddard, whose son Colin was wounded; Lily Habtu, a Tech graduate who was shot twice in Norris Hall; and Lori Haas, whose daughter Emily was wounded in Norris Hall -- watched Tuesday's vote from the Senate gallery.

    The Tech victims and families argue that expanding records checks at gun shows would further deter potential buyers who are legally barred from owning firearms.

    The Senate on Tuesday also passed a bill (SB 1035) that would allow people with concealed carry permits to take handguns into restaurants and bars that serve alcohol. The bill passed by a vote of 24-16, lacking the support needed to override a likely Kaine veto.
    Once again:

    The Tech victims and families argue that expanding records checks at gun shows would further deter potential buyers who are legally barred from owning firearms.
    when none of the guns used in the VT shooting were bought at a gun show.
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    Thumbs up Won again

    NRA-ILA_Alerts

    Today the Virginia State Senate voted down a bill for the second time in
    two days that would have imposed sweeping restrictions on Second
    Amendment rights at gun shows by an 19-21 vote. The National Rifle
    Association strongly opposed this bill.

    "This is a victory for law abiding gun owners in Virginia. This bill
    would have given gun ban advocates a platform to call for future bans on
    all private firearm sales," said Chris W. Cox, NRA chief lobbyist.
    "Eradicating community gun shows has been a top priority for the gun
    control lobby and we are grateful that this scheme was rejected in
    Virginia."

    Senate Bill 1257 would have required that all firearms transactions
    taking place at gun shows be subjected to background checks - even those
    occurring between family and friends. Any violations would have been
    considered a felony.

    Gun show promoters would have been mandated to register anyone selling a
    firearm at a gun show as a 'vendor,' including private citizens, and
    transmit that information to law enforcement who would maintain that
    public registry for four years.

    "Because of the grassroots efforts of NRA members in Virginia and the
    steadfast support by a bi-partisan majority of state senators, gun
    owners are victors today," concluded Chris W. Cox, NRA chief lobbyist.
    VA-ALERT:
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    Gun show bill is now room temperature

    Congratulations - Senator Marsh's gun show bill, SB 1257 is now
    officially dead and won't be resurrected this year!

    Senator Marsh knew there was some substitute language from Senator
    Cuccinelli and Senator Edwards ready to go and he wanted none of it,
    so he just called for a final vote. The bill failed to pass by 19 to
    21.

    Here is the final vote tally:

    Voting pro-gun:

    Blevins, Cuccinelli, Edwards, Hanger, Houck, Hurt, Martin, McDougle,
    Newman, Obenshain, Puckett, Reynolds, Ruff, Smith, Stolle, Stosch,
    Stuart, Vogel, Wagner, Wampler, Watkins

    Voting anti-gun:

    Barker, Colgan, Deeds, Herring, Howell, Locke, Lucas, Marsh, McEachin,
    Miller, J.C., Miller, Y.B., Norment, Northam, Petersen, Puller,
    Quayle, Saslaw, Ticer, Whipple

    --

    Virginia now has more that 175,000 CHP holders according to the
    Virginia State Police! Thanks to member Dale Welch for getting that
    number for us.

    Last edited by DaveH; February 4th, 2009 at 11:30 PM.
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    Great job by the NRA and VCDL, and to all members of this forum who took the time to write your legislature regarding this issue.
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