New Republican Party Position on Guns?????? - Page 2

New Republican Party Position on Guns??????

This is a discussion on New Republican Party Position on Guns?????? within the The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; If you want a third party, you have to be willing to vote for a third party and realize that the party you used to ...

Page 2 of 7 FirstFirst 123456 ... LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 91
  1. #16
    Member Array shawn45's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    KS
    Posts
    20
    If you want a third party, you have to be willing to vote for a third party and realize that the party you used to vote against is going to win a few elections until your new third party gets enough voters. Might be 20 years in the wilderness, but you have to be willing to take the risk or nothing changes.


  2. #17
    Member Array concealed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    466

    Third Party

    When voting for a third party, you must consider all outcomes. Had Ross Perot not gotten so many votes, it is possible that election would not have turned out as it did. I am not a proponent of the two party system, as it leads to really voting for a party than an individual. But this is the system we have and must work within it.

    We have a couple of options. We can try and change the politicians and their views, or we can try and change the view of the people in general. The later will take care of this first, so that is where our efforts should be.

    How do we do that? First we must put forth a professional image, and dispel the current image of a drunken redneck in a wife beater t-shirt. Do not take aim at me on that one, that is what I hear quite often in conversations with pro and anti's, so we must accept it.
    Any letters we write to papers, or legislatures, or anyone else about guns, should always be professional and without malice. Whatever you say or do can and will be used against us!

    There have been some threads on here that I certainly hope the anti's do not get hold of, though I know it is monitored. Even on here we should be courteous even in debating. To use the phrase my employer uses; ONE TEAM, ONE VISION.

  3. #18
    Distinguished Member Array Stetson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Augusta,Maine
    Posts
    1,555
    Maybe it's time for a change for the conservative republicans to find an electable candidate and start grooming him for the next election.He must
    stand for our regular party lines.He too must be young polished orator who
    can engage the press and the public during the grueling campaign season.Less
    government is better but I are we ready for Libertarian as President? I am because I am still self sufficient.

  4. #19
    Senior Member Array PaulJ's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    616
    If none of the major parties has a platform for you: By all means vote for a 3rd party. Even if it doesn't get elected, your vote will count a lot more. Think about all the soul searching the democrats did over the couple % they lost to the Green party.

    Parties don't care about their base. They will vote for them anyway. This last election, 2A / Libertarian issues didn't exactly matter becasue there was no visible candidate advocating this issue. Republicans knew they had the issue locked up.
    I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. (Thomas Jefferson)

  5. #20
    Member Array user's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Northern Piedmont of Va. & Middle of Nowhere, W.Va.
    Posts
    386
    Steele is from the pro-crime state of Maryland. Trying to swing the Republican Party from the brink of reactionary disaster by appealing to liberals. Seems to me the traditional strength of the party was conservatives and libertarians. But ultimately, the reactionaries and the socialists have exactly the same agenda when it comes to eliminating your ability to defend yourself.
    Daniel L. Hawes - 540 347 2430 - HTTP://www.VirginiaLegalDefense.com

    Nothing I say as "user" should be taken as either advertising for attorney services or legal advice. Legal questions should be presented to a competent attorney licensed to practice in the relevant state.

  6. #21
    Restricted Member Array SelfDefense's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Tucson
    Posts
    2,736
    Quote Originally Posted by Timberline View Post
    Not disputing that Steele said this, but can we get a link?
    The source is someone quoting a source that was quoting the Washington Post in 2006.

    Interestingly, the full quote and context is different than the partial that is being used to villify Steele.

    Q: Your views on gun control?

    A: My views are pretty much in line with the governor's. I grew up under some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. You can have all the gun control laws in the country, but if you don't enforce them, people are going to find a way to protect themselves. We need to recognize that bad people are doing bad things with these weapons. It's not the law-abiding citizens, it's not the person who uses it as a hobby.

    Q: Should people have access to buy assault weapons?

    A: Society should draw lines. What do you need an assault weapon for, if you're going hunting? That's overkill. But I don't think that means you go to a total ban for those who want to use gun for skeet shooting or hunting or things like that But what's the point of passing gun laws if we're not going to enforce them? If you want to talk about gun control, that's where you need to start. We've got 300 gun laws on the books right now. At the end of the day, it's about how we enforce the law.

    Source: Washington Post interview Oct 16, 2006
    ======

    My first impression is that the grammar and sentence structure is not consistent with Steele's other speeches. Granted, this was just an interview but he is typically articulate (and clean.) I don't think these are his exact words partly because it doesn't make much sense.

    Further, he specifically differentiated people protecting themselves from the 'hobby' of hunting, which is why the answers seem so disjointed.

    If he is involved in writing the planks of he Republican platform, he will certainly clarify his current position. The quote, after all, is over two years old.

  7. #22
    VIP Member Array Guns and more's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Fl
    Posts
    2,391
    Forget the republican party. They have become just as bad as the democrats. Time for a real party that believes in the Constitution.

  8. #23
    VIP Member Array obxned's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    OBX, NC
    Posts
    2,655
    I guess I'm not a Republican any more.
    "If we loose Freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the Last Place on Earth!" Ronald Reagan

  9. #24
    Member Array concealed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    466
    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    If he is involved in writing the planks of he Republican platform, he will certainly clarify his current position. The quote, after all, is over two years old.
    His views will not change in 2 years! He will only be touting the party line like every other politician out there today if it changes. His words mean nothing, like most of the Dumbocrats or Repubicants.

  10. #25
    Restricted Member Array SelfDefense's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Tucson
    Posts
    2,736
    Quote Originally Posted by concealed View Post
    His views will not change in 2 years!
    Are you saying that you personally have never changed any of your views? Are you suggesting that no one ever changes their views on any subject?

    He will only be touting the party line like every other politician out there today if it changes. His words mean nothing, like most of the Dumbocrats or Repubicants.
    What is the 'party line?'

    His words mean exactly what they mean. (And if you can determine exactly what that quote of a quote of a quote means, please explain it.) It is up to the public to vote accordingly. You seem to hold both major political parties in disdain. Have you ever considered running for public office so your views can be heard? Certainly your words mean something and presumably you agree with yourself.

  11. #26
    VIP Member Array Eagleks's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Kansas
    Posts
    7,795
    Here is a letter from our US Senator. Our Congressman, has the same views. Both ... are Republicans and say that this represents the RNC's view / stand on gun rights.


    Dear Mr. ________ :

    Thank you for your letter regarding gun rights. I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts and concerns with me.

    I remain in strong support of congressional efforts to preserve our Second Amendment right to bear arms. Furthermore, I am opposed to actions that infringe on those rights and do not effectively reduce crime and violence. Firearm laws should only be enacted with the intent to punish criminal activity. Rather than chipping away at fundamental liberties backed by the Constitution, we should target the real problem–mainly crime.

    I support enforcing the gun laws currently on the books, instead of creating new ones that erode basic rights of self-protection. The best way to combat crime is through solid law enforcement opportunities and education. Throughout my service in the U.S. Senate, I have consistently voted to strengthen sentences for crimes committed with guns, and I have supported provisions to stop violent crime and remove repeat offenders from the streets. Supporters of gun control claim that to reduce crime the government must regulate firearms. This view fails to recognize that criminals do not obey laws, and that passing gun legislation has no effect on removing guns from the hands of criminals. Nationwide statistics prove that states with strict gun laws have little effect on crime rates. In the end, it is only law-abiding citizens who are punished by gun control.

    As a public servant to both Kansas and the nation, I swore an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States. Rest assured, I take that responsibility seriously. Again thank you for taking the time to contact me. If you would like more information on issues before the Senate, please visit my website at XXXXXXXX (removed by me). You may also sign up on my home page for a monthly electronic newsletter that will provide additional updates on my work for Kansas.

    With every best wish,

    Sincerely,

  12. #27
    Member Array concealed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    466
    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    Have you ever considered running for public office so your views can be heard? Certainly your words mean something and presumably you agree with yourself.
    I have run for public office. My words are just that: MINE. Not the words needed to get onto one of the political parties tickets. I do have a particular party affiliation, but that is out of necessity rather than total loyality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    Here is a letter from our US Senator. Our Congressman, has the same views. Both ... are Republicans and say that this represents the RNC's view / stand on gun rights.
    Lets hope these are the voice of reason.

  13. #28
    Restricted Member Array SelfDefense's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Tucson
    Posts
    2,736
    Quote Originally Posted by concealed View Post
    I have run for public office. My words are just that: MINE. Not the words needed to get onto one of the political parties tickets. I do have a particular party affiliation, but that is out of necessity rather than total loyality.
    How did your bid for office turn out? Few people begin their political careers espousing ideas contrary to their own beliefs. I would assert that most politicians maintain their views throughout their public service. Typically, those people never rise to the top.

    I have a friend that ran for city council for the libertarian party. He lost but he stays true to his [misguided] ideals. He says he will run again. He most certainly will not compromise his views.

  14. #29
    Senior Member Array BlackPR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Lakewood Colorado
    Posts
    844
    Don't change to another party because of the gun issue. Work to change the parties themselves. I've been saying until my lips bleed that guns are not a conservative or liberal agenda item. There are Pro-Gun or Anti-Gun agendas. Anti-gunners exist in ALL parties. Pro-gun folk also exist in all parties.

    Guns are something that even the commies get to fight for - republicans don't own the pro-gun fight.
    The facts are indisputable. There is more data supporting the benefits of Conceal Carry than there is supporting global warming. If you choose ignorance, in light of all the evidence, in order to bolster your irrational fear of guns, you are a greater threat to society than any gun owner.

  15. #30
    Member Array concealed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    466
    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    How did your bid for office turn out? Few people begin their political careers espousing ideas contrary to their own beliefs. I would assert that most politicians maintain their views throughout their public service. Typically, those people never rise to the top.

    I have a friend that ran for city council for the libertarian party. He lost but he stays true to his [misguided] ideals. He says he will run again. He most certainly will not compromise his views.
    My run ended like your friends. It was a little different in that we had 3 people leave office in mid term for health reasons, so the council choose 3 candidates themselves. Unfortunately I was not chosen, and my wife says it is because I represented the people of the town more than the town itself. I can live with that because like your friend, I stay true to my beliefs.

    I will continue my civic duty from the sidelines, writing letters to the editor and attending meetings. Many town folk have encouraged me to run during an outright election, so I am contemplating that at this time.

Page 2 of 7 FirstFirst 123456 ... LastLast

Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. The Sheriff, CCW Policy, And The Republican Party
    By Huzar in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: April 2nd, 2009, 03:02 PM
  2. Republican Fisherman
    By flagflyfish in forum Off Topic & Humor Discussion
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: May 23rd, 2008, 06:55 AM
  3. NEW GUY from NW FL(The Republican Part)
    By MSGTTBAR in forum New Members Introduce Yourself
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: April 20th, 2006, 09:00 AM

» Log in

User Name:

Password:

Not a member yet?
Register Now!

» DefensiveCarry Sponsors