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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Most Americans are moderate centrists. And that is where a political party must be if it is to have any hope of winning elections.
    I confess that took me a little aback as well...Obama (and the Democrats) were the centrists in this most recent election? I understand you are talking about the parties, not the candidate, but in my view the Republican position in the last several elections has been too near the center for my liking. OMO, YMMV.
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    The center is by definition where the majority are

    Quote Originally Posted by falcon1 View Post
    I confess that took me a little aback as well...Obama (and the Democrats) were the centrists in this most recent election? I understand you are talking about the parties, not the candidate, but in my view the Republican position in the last several elections has been too near the center for my liking. OMO, YMMV.
    The center is by definition where the majority happen to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Most Americans are moderate centrists. And that is where a political party must be if it is to have any hope of winning elections.
    There is nothing wrong with the Republican party other than it is moving to leftist positions. As we see the continued mismanagement of the Congress by the Democrats (Congressional approval is less than 20%) we can expect to see in 2010 the same type of change we saw in 1994 when Gingrich ended the socialist aspirations of Clinton.

    The idea of moderates or centrists makes no sense. Either one wants to defend America through strength or hope we are not attacked by appeasement. Either we want to live in free market capitalism or we want to move to European socialism. Either we want o treat captured terrorists as dangerous with information that will save American lives of we want to provide them lawyers and divulge classified information to generate a civil conviction.

    Maybe a moderate can be described as simply having no principles or convictions.

    The Republican party must espouse smaller government and fiscal responsibility, which will be easy after the irresponsible spending the Congress and Administration have planned. The Republican party must espouse individual responsibility and end the expanding welfare programs (oops, I mean tax cuts for those who don't pay taxes.) The Republican party must espouse protecting our borders against terrorism and illegals.

    The Republican party already connects with most of the people. What is required is to have a candidate that will articulate our values. When a Republican espouses and acts on conservative values they win almost every election.

    We speak of about guns and that the public ignorance must be changed. More important is that the people need to be educated that European socialism is a recipe for failure in the United States. Europe is defended by America. Who will defend America?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    The center is by definition where the majority happen to be.
    Splitting hairs here, but no. By your definition, everyone who voted for our esteemed President is a centrist, and all who didn't are on the fringe...that is a very interesting-looking bell curve.

    What President Obama managed to do was capture three percent more of the center than Senator McCain did; and, of course, the electoral college skews those results to create the appearance of more consensus than there may actually be.
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    Whatever term you want to use to describe the political parties today, neither party meets my needs. The Republican party was the closest, but they too are slipping away from my ideals.

    I believe the Democratic party is on a run in politics. It is too easy to blame George Bush, though he deserves some of it, but the Republican party itself has faltered. The advertising and strategy used by the party this last election was horrible. I met with a long time republican leader in Newport News last year, and he too was surprised at the laid back approach to the election. As far as the parties position on issues, they need to define themselves in key areas and stick with it. I do not mean just do what they think the public wants, but to pick issues that are important to the party and in line with Republicans of the past. Small government, less taxes, conservative views, individual rights, and a basic appreciation of religon without being too zealous, are points I think of when I think Republican party. Weak areas have always been environmental issues, but I probably am in the minority on that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by concealed View Post
    Weak areas have always been environmental issues, but I probably am in the minority on that one.
    I think the Republican party is far stronger on environmental issues. For example, the recent nonsense about predator control in Alaska by killing wolves has been promoted by liberals as bad for the environment. The truth is it saves the indigenous wildlife.

    The liberal idea of environmental issues is simply an attempt at control of the people like obstructing progress by 'saving' a snail. Of course, the nonsensical global warming scare is the liberal manufactured crisis du jour.

    Republicans are far better on environmnetal issues than liberals. We simply don't have the public relations machine necessary to reduce public ignorance.

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    I have listened to Steele talk the last few days. He may hold hope for the Republicans yet. I guess it will remain to be seen. Maybe he will be able to bring more minorities into the party.

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    Too many years ago (time does pass us by so quickly) I studied Latin for four years and learned a lot about the Roman Empire and how it grew and finally collapsed. If we look at the US today many things seem to line up with the history of Rome. The one that stands out ( TO ME, IMHO ) is how Washington now gains its power and manages to elect those who make our laws and run OUR LIVES.

    The theory of Bread and Circuses may seem a little cynical to some but there may be a lesson for us in the following. ( A LITTLE LONG BUT TO ME IT CONTAINS SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT.)

    The Bread and Circuses Presidency
    By Daniel Greenfield Tuesday, January 20, 2009

    Call it the Bread and Circuses Presidency, or better yet the Bailouts and Reality TV Presidency. Forget expecting results or ethics from the occupant of the White House. Just join an organization or a cause and stick your hand out for your share of of misappropriated taxpayer money, and get ready to vote online for which puppy the Obamas should adopt.
    … iam pridem, ex quo suffragia nulli uendimus, effudit curas; nam qui dabat olim imperium, fasces, legiones, omnia, nunc se continet atque duas tantum res anxius optat, panem et circenses.
    (Juvenal, Satire 10.77–81)
    … Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses
    So America continues the transition from a citizenry to a people, that waits for government handouts and the comforts of a monarchy as spectacle, broadcast simultaneously on all channels. While Obama preps a cabinet slate, half of whom belong in jail, the media continues applauding loudly to drown out any criticism. And the public watches with glazed eyes.
    The millions who will trudge to watch this “historic” triumph of style over substance, dishonest criminality over ethics, and anti-americanism over American, will get exactly what they expect. A $150,000,000 coronation for the Prince of Chicago, a lavish subversion of American democracy splashed across every television and website.
    When Rome moved from Republic to Empire, the corrupt decadent Emperors understood what the mob wanted. As Obama’s backers work to make America a post-Democratic post-Republic ogilarchy, they’re doing it with Bread and Circuses.
    The ObamaGirl Revolution (TM) will be brought to you by Pepsi (TM) and Jones Soda (TM). Now stay tuned for a news report on a letter by Obama’s flacks supposedly written to his children, yet broadcast to all of America. Feel free to buy some Frito chips, the official chip of the Obama inauguration. And now breaking news, a special interview with the Obama’s new dog. Switch to another channel to see all the movie stars getting their moment too. Welcome to the Fall of the Republic, brought to you by Pepsi.
    Never mind that a Muslim Brotherhood proxy will be delivering a prayer at Obama’s inaguration, which means that Al Queda and Hamas will have a place of honor at the event. Keep your eyes on the celebrities and the concerts.
    The War on Terror conducted officially by the American government is over, and this time instead of four planes, America itself has been hijacked. The lead hijacker, the 21st hijacker, will shortly place his hand on a Bible, and swear to defend a country he was not born in and overtly despises. And he will try to keep a straight face while doing it, and perhaps show enough restraint not to scratch himself with his middle finger or grab his crotch during the ceremony.
    fter the last month of outreach, there will no doubt be conservatives that will report approvingly on this. Though what exactly they will be conserving besides their own mainstream relevance, New York Times and Washington Post columns is unclear. When the mob gets big enough, many feel compelled to march with the mob. That is their choice and a matter for their own consciences.
    There will of course be Jews there at this Ahasverosh feast, which like the original will be a case of feast before attempted genocide. Those Jews however are no brothers or sisters of mine, no more than the Neturei Karaites (yes the spelling is correct), the Kapos in the camps or those wealthy and well off Jews during WW2 who aided and abetted the Nazi genocide by helping bar Jewish refugees from safe harbors such as America, South Africa or Singapore. I have no connection to them and no obligation to them whatsoever, neither as brothers or sisters, or even as human beings. Whether they knew what they were doing or not, their actions have placed a Mark of Kayin on their own foreheads. Like the original murderer of his own brother, they have no place near me.
    There will finally be the Obama Zombies, the grass roots supporters who donated more than they could for Obama, who worked to the bone for him, and now imagine that their sacrifices will have some meaning. Theirs will be the spectacle but nothing else. Some of them are already realizing that they have been used. Others will take a while to realize that the Cult of Personality they have joined has nothing to offer them. But sooner or later, all of them will know the truth, whether they choose to deny it or not.
    But what the spectacle in Washington D.C. will truly testify to, is the danger that the American Republic is in, a danger caused by the abandonment of a loyal, responsible and committed citizenry, in favor of a universal mobocracy, cultivated by popular culture, and devoid of actual political knowledge. Subtract all the ballots motivated by ignorance, racism and fraud-- and this election would never have concluded the way it did. And that in truth is what this Inaguration will be a historic triumph for, no matter what the Lapdog Media or any of the Poodle Pundits say.
    It will be an Inauguration of Ignorance, a Festival of Fraud and a Reception of Racism. The only history being made here is the Fall of a Republic, into a phony populist monarchy. When the 21st Hijacker in Chief takes his oath of office, America will be facing the greatest challenge to its own survival since the Civil War, a ruthlessly corrupt Bread and Circuses Presidency.

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    Republican is just another way to spell Democrat. They just cannot come to an agreement on the best way to completely scrap the remaining shreds of the Constitution and force total control over all our lives.

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    Next American Revolution!

    Quote Originally Posted by Stranger View Post
    Republican is just another way to spell Democrat. They just cannot come to an agreement on the best way to completely scrap the remaining shreds of the Constitution and force total control over all our lives.
    New Hampshire Leads Next American Revolution!

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    New Hampshire Leads Next American Revolution! Obamessiah Provokes HCR 6 Revolt

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    Americans fed up with the unbridled endless federal assault on private earnings, assets and rights, and looking for what they can do to put a stop to the rush of socialist tyranny being fast-tracked through the leftist congress, or signed into law by Obamessiah executive order, should take a close look at what the New Hampshire legislature has already done!

    Four New Hampshire legislators introduced HCR-6 [1] to re-invoke states rights enumerated in Jefferson’s and Madison’s Kentucky Resolutions of 1798. [2] The resolution is a clear shot across the bow of the New Leftist Administration in Washington DC, which is rushing to expand federal control over every aspect of American life, industry and enterprise.

    HCR-6 borrows much of its text from Jefferson’s Kentucky Resolutions, but adds more specific warnings concerning several real affronts to state and individual rights currently under attack by the new Washington elite.
    The New Hampshire document resolves...

    “That the said committee be authorized to communicate by writing or personal conferences, at any times or places whatever, with any person or person who may be appointed by any one or more co-States to correspond or confer with them; and that they lay their proceedings before the next session of the General Court; and
    That any Act by the Congress of the United States, Executive Order of the President of the United States of America or Judicial Order by the Judicatories of the United States of America which assumes a power not delegated to the government of United States of America by the Constitution for the United States of America and which serves to diminish the liberty of the any of the several States or their citizens shall constitute a nullification of the Constitution for the United States of America by the government of the United States of America. Acts which would cause such a nullification include, but are not limited to:

    I. Establishing martial law or a state of emergency within one of the States comprising the United States of America without the consent of the legislature of that State.

    II. Requiring involuntary servitude, or governmental service other than a draft during a declared war, or pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.

    III. Requiring involuntary servitude or governmental service of persons under the age of 18 other than pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.

    IV. Surrendering any power delegated or not delegated to any corporation or foreign government.

    V. Any act regarding religion; further limitations on freedom of political speech; or further limitations on freedom of the press.

    VI. Further infringements on the right to keep and bear arms including prohibitions of type or quantity of arms or ammunition; and

    That should any such act of Congress become law or Executive Order or Judicial Order be put into force, all powers previously delegated to the United States of America by the Constitution for the United States shall revert to the several States individually. Any future government of the United States of America shall require ratification of three quarters of the States seeking to form a government of the United States of America and shall not be binding upon any State not seeking to form such a government; and
    That copies of this resolution be transmitted by the house clerk to the President of the United States, each member of the United States Congress, and the presiding officers of each State’s legislature.”
    Clearly, the resolution is directed at much of the leftwing agenda currently being ramroded through congress. In fact, some of what the resolution openly rejects as unconstitutional, has already been put in place by executive order, placing the new federal administration already in violation of this state resolution.
    With Democratic Socialists in full control of all branches of the federal government today, Americans have no power at the federal level to stop the onslaught of Marxist policies being shoved down their throats...
    However, as New Hampshire demonstrates by way of HCR-6, the power of the people remains in full force and effect at the state level.
    The first ten amendments of our constitution, our Bill or Rights, establish very limited powers for the federal government. Amendment IX states that “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
    Amendment X says it all – “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.”
    America is NOT a top-down dictatorship, even with the support of democratic mob rule. Our Representative Republic is a bottom-up form of self-governance, and “when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” (Declaration of Independence)
    That is exactly what the New Hampshire resolution is threatening to do, in the event that the New Leftist regime in Washington DC fails to reign in and control its lust for unbridled power.
    The fed has only the power the people allow it to have. The fed has NO power over the states, so long as the people afford it no such power. New Hampshire is right!
    Reversing Course Immediately
    Obama is not uniting the nation. He is igniting a second civil war...
    American Marxists are trying to capitalize on the financial chaos they have created by their Marxist fiscal policies of the past. They have spent the nation and its people into bankruptcy. To give them more money, more power, would be to commit certain financial suicide.
    Instead of allowing Washington DC elitists to squander one more taxpayer penny in the name of some false greater communal good, like Obama’s ACORN, the people should use the power of their state legislatures to demand a return of money and power to the people and their state governments.
    Local problems need local solutions. No entity on earth is better a wasting the labors of the people than the US federal government is today.
    New Hampshire is right and every state legislature should immediately adopt a similar resolution, before Obama’s fed power nationalizes private industry after private industry and consumes the power of the states under the heading of “bailing out” the states.
    The states would not be in trouble if not for a federal wasteland run wild. Obama threatens to throw the nation out of the frying pan into the fire and only the states have the power to put a stop to it all.
    It is as simple as New Hampshire made it. HCR-6 puts Obama and Co. on notice, that should they proceed with their vigorous power-grab as they have so carefully designed, the states will revolt on behalf of the people, individual and states rights.
    If every state legislature takes similar affirmative action to put the fed on certain notice, the US Congress will have no choice but to step back and take a second look at the civil war it is about to ignite across the land.
    Further, the state militias are also put on alert, to defend the people and the states against a growing enemy within the halls of the federal government. The state militia exists for just such a purpose, to defend freedom, when under attack from the all-powerful federal government.
    Push has come to shove and New Hampshire is the first to take corrective action at the state level. Advise your local state legislatures to follow their lead and stop the massive power-grab underway in Washington DC...
    Democrats intend to nationalize health care... [3]
    Democrats intend to nationalize banking... [4]
    Democrats intend to nationalize energy... [5]
    The fed must be reigned in immediately, stopped from wasting another taxpayer penny in pursuit of more federal powers already strangling the life out of the freest people on earth.
    Take time to read the New Hampshire resolution and send a copy to your local state legislators, asking them to adopt a similar resolution right away, while they still have the power to do so.
    The clock is ticking... The left has every American right where they want them, frustrated, confused and frightened. Socialism looks good only to those too ill-informed to know better, or too scared to care.
    The states have the power to stop it. They must use it or lose it!

    Copyright by JB Williams (JB Williams - political writer. Official Site)
    Related Links
    [1] HCR 0006
    [2] The Papers of Thomas Jefferson - Kentucky Resolutions
    [3] Poll Finds Americans Split by Political Party Over Whether Socialized Medicine Better or Worse Than Current System - February 14, 2008 -2008 Releases - Press Releases - Harvard School of Public Health
    [4] Civilized Personal Discussion - Nationalizing banking has already begun
    [5] YouTube - Maxine Waters threatens to nationalize U.S. oil industries

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    DOGOFWAR above posted a long article, NH Leads Next American Revolution.

    Good grief!!! This stuff is fantasy world stuff. There is no broad political support for any of it. If there were, the state legislatures (AS SD ALWAYS REMINDS US) would call a Constitutional Convention. Then, look out because they would throw it all away in a frenzy of ill considered idiocy.

    We have become the way we are as a great nation by (mostly) abiding by out present system of government. Our laws were passed by the very same elected officials (or their predecessors) who now dump all over them. Our way of doing things has passed the muster of innumerable judges and justices, state house leaders and legislatures, governors, congress critters, and senators.

    All of the things some don't like, others think are just fine. Compromises were reached, accommodations were made, and that is the way it is supposed to be unless you want to replace our system with a parliamentary system and do away with the federal system. Ain't going to happen, and if it does, it won't be the utopia some think it will be. It will be a mess that makes what we have look orderly and sane. Where do you folks think you will find the next Jefferson? The next Washington? The next Madison? The next Adams? And all the others whose talent seemed to come to one place at one time or era as if by a miracle. No thank you. No new revolution for me. Not even a peaceful one at the ballot box. We all have it too good, notwithstanding all of our differences and gripes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    DOGOFWAR above posted a long article, NH Leads Next American Revolution.

    Good grief!!! This stuff is fantasy world stuff. There is no broad political support for any of it. If there were, the state legislatures (AS SD ALWAYS REMINDS US) would call a Constitutional Convention. Then, look out because they would throw it all away in a frenzy of ill considered idiocy.

    We have become the way we are as a great nation by (mostly) abiding by out present system of government. Our laws were passed by the very same elected officials (or their predecessors) who now dump all over them. Our way of doing things has passed the muster of innumerable judges and justices, state house leaders and legislatures, governors, congress critters, and senators.

    All of the things some don't like, others think are just fine. Compromises were reached, accommodations were made, and that is the way it is supposed to be unless you want to replace our system with a parliamentary system and do away with the federal system. Ain't going to happen, and if it does, it won't be the utopia some think it will be. It will be a mess that makes what we have look orderly and sane. Where do you folks think you will find the next Jefferson? The next Washington? The next Madison? The next Adams? And all the others whose talent seemed to come to one place at one time or era as if by a miracle. No thank you. No new revolution for me. Not even a peaceful one at the ballot box. We all have it too good, notwithstanding all of our differences and gripes.
    States firing shots across the feds bow - Maryland Shooters
    per this site now has spread to 7 states not just NH

    did you know in the American Revolution ?
    1. 1/3 of the people fought for America
    2. 1/3 did not care one way or the other
    3. 1/3 supported the British

    Roger that per your e-mail above, you were not in group 1 or 2 above.

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    And in which group would we find?

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    Roger that per your e-mail above, you were not in group 1 or 2 above.
    Yup, I wasn't there, nor were you. Tell me. In which of today's political groups would you find the 1/3 that were?

    It wouldn't be most of today's radical conservatives who come here to tell us the president has powers he surely does not. It wouldn't be those in the conservative movement who tell us that it is perfectly OK if the BOR doesn't extend 2A rights to all law abiding of sound mind.

    Those were the mentality of the guys who supported the Red Coats.

    Anyway, again, no revolution for me thank you. Everything broken in our country can be fixed through existing political mechanisms. The real problem is that it is impossible to please more than a bare majority of the people at anyone time, on anyone issue. So we appear to be always discontented, and we exaggerate our discontent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Yup, I wasn't there, nor were you. Tell me. In which of today's political groups would you find the 1/3 that were?

    It wouldn't be most of today's radical conservatives who come here to tell us the president has powers he surely does not. It wouldn't be those in the conservative movement who tell us that it is perfectly OK if the BOR doesn't extend 2A rights to all law abiding of sound mind.

    Those were the mentality of the guys who supported the Red Coats.

    Anyway, again, no revolution for me thank you. Everything broken in our country can be fixed through existing political mechanisms. The real problem is that it is impossible to please more than a bare majority of the people at anyone time, on anyone issue. So we appear to be always discontented, and we exaggerate our discontent.

    No we were not but if we had been I would be in Group 1 without any reservations, debate, doubt, etc.

    I have been to many other places, such as Balkans, Southwest Asia, Southeast Asia, and Africa.

    Most gun owners are not members of the NRA much less other organizations such as SAF, SAS, RKBA, AFM, GOA; they just are along for a free ride while others pay for their Rights, these same gun owners will definitely not be at the next level of support which is writing their state or national congresspersons (at this stage the pen is mightier than the sword - this is what the NH other 6 state movements are about), and these same gun owners most definitely will not be at the next and final level of support.

    are you saying you are not and will not be a member of the above Pro 2A organizations ?

    are you saying you have not in the past and will not in the future write your congresspersons at the state and national in regard to support for the 2A rights ? (this is the the Revolution they are talking in NH and 6 other states - writing congresspersons and changing laws - they are not talking armed conflicted revolution) per your statements above you will not write congresspersons state or national ???

    Self Defense must be lawyer or government employee, I have read some of his posts before. The U.S. Constitution is simple and straight forward, easy for everyone to read and understand, those say it is not are just trying to confuse the issues, for whatever reason that drives them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    DOGOFWAR above posted a long article, NH Leads Next American Revolution.

    Good grief!!! This stuff is fantasy world stuff. There is no broad political support for any of it. If there were, the state legislatures (AS SD ALWAYS REMINDS US) would call a Constitutional Convention. Then, look out because they would throw it all away in a frenzy of ill considered idiocy.

    We have become the way we are as a great nation by (mostly) abiding by out present system of government. Our laws were passed by the very same elected officials (or their predecessors) who now dump all over them. Our way of doing things has passed the muster of innumerable judges and justices, state house leaders and legislatures, governors, congress critters, and senators.

    All of the things some don't like, others think are just fine. Compromises were reached, accommodations were made, and that is the way it is supposed to be unless you want to replace our system with a parliamentary system and do away with the federal system. Ain't going to happen, and if it does, it won't be the utopia some think it will be. It will be a mess that makes what we have look orderly and sane. Where do you folks think you will find the next Jefferson? The next Washington? The next Madison? The next Adams? And all the others whose talent seemed to come to one place at one time or era as if by a miracle. No thank you. No new revolution for me. Not even a peaceful one at the ballot box. We all have it too good, notwithstanding all of our differences and gripes.
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    Since my name keeps coming up I am forced to clarify my views rather than the distorted recollections I am reading.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    If there were, the state legislatures (AS SD ALWAYS REMINDS US) would call a Constitutional Convention. Then, look out because they would throw it all away in a frenzy of ill considered idiocy.
    This could not be more wrong. The Constitution provides for two ways to amend the Constitution. One method is by 3/4 of the states proposing an amendment. If you want to call it a Consittutional Convention, fine. But there is no requirement for a convention of get together of any kind. More importantly, only Amendments can be applied. It is not possible to 'throw it all away' in any sense. The 18th Amendment is still in the Constitution even though it was repealed.

    With this twisted line of thought, the Congress can 'throw away the Constitution', as well. In either scenario it requires 3/4 of the states to ratify each Amendment.

    Personally, I would like to see Amendments that specifically prohibits that oligarchic abomination of judicial review and repeal the Fourteenth Amendment since some people are confused as to its intent and meaning.

    We all have it too good, notwithstanding all of our differences and gripes.
    We did, but that era is quickly coming to an end with our gallop to socialism, which will invariably weaken our nation both ecoomically and militarily.

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