Far left anti-gun group could be eligible to receive millions, if not billions

Far left anti-gun group could be eligible to receive millions, if not billions

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    Monday, February 2, 2009


    The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the far left anti-gun group under investigation for voter fraud, could be eligible to receive millions, if not billions of dollars from the economic bailout bill that passed out of the House of Representatives yesterday.


    ACORN was an aggressive supporter of Barack Obama -- who had served as the group’s legal counsel and even trained ACORN in “community organizing” -- in the presidential election. The Obama campaign even paid the group $800,000 for “voter turnout,” the very activities that came under scrutiny by the FBI.


    In October 2008, ACORN’s Las Vegas office was raided by law enforcement agents investigating voter registration fraud. According to the Nevada Secretary of State’s office, voter information submitted by the group included nonexistent names, false addresses, duplicate filings and even the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys.


    In addition to turning in massive amounts of fraudulent voter registration forms leading up to the 2008 elections, ACORN is also involved in anti-Second Amendment activism. For instance, a New Jersey ACORN chapter supported a one-gun-a-month ordinance in Jersey City, a law that was struck down last year by an appeals court for violating the State’s preemption law.


    This group should not be eligible to receive one penny of your tax money, yet ACORN has received over $28 million in taxpayer dollars in 2008 alone and over $53 million since 1994. Last year, some members of Congress were able to strip ACORN money from the home mortgage industry bailout bill, but it was reinserted into the current legislation.


    The total amount of money for which groups like ACORN would be eligible in the bill is $4.2 billion, under a provision for “neighborhood stabilization activities.” According to the bill, the money can be utilized by state and local governments and also “nonprofit entities or consortia of nonprofit entities.”


    ACORN can possibly collect more money under this legislation that it has over the past 15 years, and you can bet that ACORN is expert at accessing those funds.


    Another group that could benefit from the bailout bill is MoveOn.org, an organization that has advocated for sweeping gun control laws.


    According to Rep. Darrell Issa, a California Republican, “MoveOn.org’s civic action committee could receive stimulus funds such as money earmarked for energy ‘activities’, since MoveOn.org lists one of its goals to ‘reduce America's dependence on oil.’”


    Pro-gun Senator David Vitter (R-LA) sees the bill as “payoff” for the liberal interest groups that helped to put Barack Obama in the White House, and that some provisions in the bill were actually written with specific interest groups in view.


    Sen. Vitter told FOX News that the bill “is a payoff for that political activity in last year’s election, particularly with the fraudulent voter registration drives,” Sen. Vitter said.


    The bottom line is that the only thing this bill will “stimulate” is attacks against your gun rights by leftist anti-gun groups. Supporters of the Second Amendment must take action now to see that such funding provisions are stripped from the misnamed stimulus package.


    The bailout measure passed out of the House of Representatives by a vote of 244-188 and now heads to the Senate, where Senators have been working on their own version of the bill.


    Senator [insert] plans to offer an amendment to strip provisions that would fund anti-gun groups like ACORN. Without such an amendment, GOA urges the Senate to reject the bill in its entirety.


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    It’s pretty outrageous that the so-called stimulus bill is slated to give $4.2 billion to an organization that was raided by law enforcement agents investigating voter registration fraud. Not only that, this organization -- according to the Nevada Secretary of State’s office -- submitted voter information which included nonexistent names, false addresses, duplicate filings and even the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys.


    The group is of course ACORN, which stands to reap this windfall in the spending bill under a provision for “neighborhood stabilization activities.”


    In addition to turning in massive amounts of fraudulent voter registration forms leading up to the 2008 elections, ACORN is also involved in anti-Bill of Rights activism. For instance, a New Jersey ACORN chapter supported a one-gun-a-month ordinance in Jersey City, a law that was struck down last year by an appeals court for violating the State’s preemption law.


    This group (and other groups such as MoveOn.org) should not be eligible to receive one penny of my tax money, yet ACORN has received over $28 million in taxpayer dollars in 2008 alone and over $53 million since 1994.


    I urge you to remove this money from the bill. Otherwise, please vote against it in its entirety.


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    I sent letters to my Senators last night! I do not like the Stimulus Bill for exactly the above reason - too many pigs flying around. I also wrote my Rep. and thanked him for voting against the Bill in the House.

    ACORN and moveon.org are both very active (thus dangerous) anti-2A groups.


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    It seems to me that most of our representavies in Washington don't care whats in the bill. I keep hearing the phrase "don't sweat the small stuff its the meat we want."

    They could care less about the waste, its how things are done.

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    ... could receive stimulus funds such as money earmarked for energy ‘activities’, since MoveOn.org lists one of its goals to ‘reduce America's dependence on oil.’”
    I also have a goal of reducing America's dependence on oil. With such logic, I should be $billons of your (our) hard-earned money, too, eh?
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    Somehow I think the comments regarding huge amounts of money going to ACORN are likely misguided.

    Anyway, here is a link to the text of the actual Bill that passed The House.

    http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/HR1.pdf

    I downloaded the document (the actual legislation) and used the search term ACORN to see if there was any specific reference to this group within the text of the bill. There is none.

    So, I sure would appreciate it if someone with better research skills than I would find and point out the page number and text making such alleged appropriation.

    I think (but admit I don't know for sure) that what we are seeing here is a campaign of misinformation (outright telling of falsehoods) for partisan political reasons.

    Here is the title of the bill:

    H. R. 1
    Making supplemental appropriations for job preservation and creation, infrastructure
    investment, energy efficiency and science, assistance to the
    unemployed, and State and local fiscal stabilization, for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2009, and for other purposes.


    And here is the Table of Contents
    1 SEC. 2. TABLE OF CONTENTS.
    2 The table of contents for this Act is as follows:
    DIVISION A—APPROPRIATION PROVISIONS
    TITLE I—GENERAL PROVISIONS
    TITLE II—AGRICULTURE, NUTRITION, AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT
    TITLE III—COMMERCE, JUSTICE, AND SCIENCE
    TITLE IV—DEFENSE
    TITLE V—ENERGY AND WATER
    TITLE VI—FINANCIAL SERVICES AND GENERAL GOVERNMENT
    TITLE VII—HOMELAND SECURITY
    TITLE VIII—INTERIOR AND ENVIRONMENT
    TITLE IX—LABOR, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, AND EDUCATION
    TITLE X—MILITARY CONSTRUCTION AND VETERANS AFFAIRS
    TITLE XI—DEPARTMENT OF STATE
    TITLE XII—TRANSPORTATION, AND HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
    TITLE XIII—STATE FISCAL STABILIZATION FUND
    DIVISION B—OTHER PROVISIONS
    TITLE I—TAX PROVISIONS
    TITLE II—ASSISTANCE FOR UNEMPLOYED WORKERS AND STRUGGLING
    FAMILIES
    TITLE III—HEALTH INSURANCE ASSISTANCE FOR THE UNEMPLOYED
    TITLE IV—HEALTH INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY
    TITLE V—MEDICAID PROVISIONS
    TITLE VI—BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS
    TITLE VII—ENERGY
    3 SEC. 3. PURPOSES AND PRINCIPLES.
    4 (a) STATEMENT OF PURPOSES.—The purposes of
    5 this Act include the following:
    6 (1) To preserve and create jobs and promote
    7 economic recovery.
    8 (2) To assist those most impacted by the reces9
    sion.
    10 (3) To provide investments needed to increase
    11 economic efficiency by spurring technological ad12
    vances in science and health.
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    1 (4) To invest in transportation, environmental
    2 protection, and other infrastructure that will provide
    3 long-term economic benefits.
    4 (5) To stabilize State and local government
    5 budgets, in order to minimize and avoid reductions
    6 in essential services and counterproductive state and
    7 local tax increases.
    8 (b) GENERAL PRINCIPLES CONCERNING USE OF
    9 FUNDS.—The President and the heads of Federal depart10
    ments and agencies shall manage and expend the funds
    11 made available in this Act so as to achieve the purposes
    12 specified in subsection (a), including commencing expendi13
    tures and activities as quickly as possible consistent with
    14 prudent management.
    15 SEC. 4. REFERENCES.
    16 Except as expressly provided otherwise, any reference
    17 to ‘‘this Act’’ contained in any division of this Act shall
    18 be treated as referring only to the provisions of that divi19
    sion.
    20

    When you find the word Acorn in there please do let me know.

    The original article in this thread implied that Acorn would receive huge amounts of money, but also actually contained this sentence:

    "The total amount of money for which groups like ACORN would be eligible in the bill is $4.2 billion, under a provision for “neighborhood stabilization activities.” According to the bill, the money can be utilized by state and local governments and also “nonprofit entities or consortia of nonprofit entities.”

    Note, all the bill is proposing is that nonprofit entities be eligible. There are innumerable non-profit entities doing great works. These are the tax exempt charitable corporations which make life for many of us work a little smoother. I do lots of volunteer work for a non-profit. All we do his help people. And believe me, we could use a couple of million to get our programs going and help more people. I can't think of anything that would be more stimulative than sending money to the non-profit I work for. The money would be out the door in days.

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    Look, this kind of rhetoric is ridiculous:

    ACORN is a liberal group that is funded by Rockefeller Foundn money, among other big donors. They concentrate on small block by block reforms such as getting folks on a block together to make sure the fire hydrants work. As liberals they support Dems from bottom to top with all the negatives that go along with this.

    The New Anti-Capitalist Party of France is far left. They espouse the replacement of capitalism with workers democracy, or socialism, by a revolution if necessary.

    This kind of Fox News/hide-bound reactionary rhetoric is sure to alienate most people who live in cities, many or most of whom could be won over to a pro or neutral 2nd position, absent this kind of John Birch lunatic rhetoric

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    Quote Originally Posted by njr View Post
    Look, this kind of rhetoric is ridiculous:

    ACORN is a liberal group that is funded by Rockefeller Foundn money, among other big donors. They concentrate on small block by block reforms such as getting folks on a block together to make sure the fire hydrants work. As liberals they support Dems from bottom to top with all the negatives that go along with this.

    The New Anti-Capitalist Party of France is far left. They espouse the replacement of capitalism with workers democracy, or socialism, by a revolution if necessary.

    This kind of Fox News/hide-bound reactionary rhetoric is sure to alienate most people who live in cities, many or most of whom could be won over to a pro or neutral 2nd position, absent this kind of John Birch lunatic rhetoric
    So tell me, rhetoric aside, what this pork laden piece of legislation accomplishes in the form of "stimulus"? This is supposed to be a "stimulus bill", not a "pigs can fly" piece of pork.

    Of course the legislation does not mention ACORN or moveon.org by name. Legislation rarely does. As a student of the tax code, I know there are literally thousands of pieces of pork in tax bills aimed towards, for example, a "company incorporated in 1934 under Oklahoma statutes with a home office in Bartlesville, Oklahoma"....nobody had to name "Phillips Petroleum" in that piece of legislation.

    Please don't forget the ACORN voter fraud matter either.

    Why should funds go to either group? I fail to see the need, and I personally resent the tax funds going to this type of organization.

    John Birch? Haven't seen a reference to them in decades.

    Sorry for my rant. I apologize in advance if anyone is offended by my opinions.


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    Why should money go to???

    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post

    Why should funds go to either group?
    And where in the legislation is anything that says that money will go to Acorn or Move ON? And certainly not in the multibillion dollar amount suggested in the first post within this thread. IF that was really put out by GOA, they just hurt themselves and their credibility, and hurt our cause.

    If organizations qualify as a non-profit neighborhood groups-- such as a well organized neighborhood watch group, a health clinic for all group, a volunteer fire department, they deserve the bucks. But, these blanket claims that money definitely will go to Move on--which certainly isn't a neighborhood group and therefore not qualified under the leislation, are bizarre.

    In my community we have food pantries which would qualify as neighborhood groups. There is nothing wrong with putting money toward these beneficent activities because they will help the least fortunate, and the money will be spent on things like food, shelter, medical care.

    I'm not interested in the lunatic rantings and outright distortions that some pass off as reality. They turn my stomach whether they come from the ultra right or the ultra left. We can't get good legislation and rational policy making when everyone is running nonsense out of their mouths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    And where in the legislation is anything that says that money will go to Acorn or Move ON?
    It doesn't, as I indicated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    And certainly not in the multibillion dollar amount suggested in the first post within this thread. IF that was really put out by GOA, they just hurt themselves and their credibility, and hurt our cause.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    If organizations qualify as a non-profit neighborhood groups-- such as a well organized neighborhood watch group, a health clinic for all group, a volunteer fire department, they deserve the bucks. But, these blanket claims that money definitely will go to Move on--which certainly isn't a neighborhood group and therefore not qualified under the leislation, are bizarre.

    In my community we have food pantries which would qualify as neighborhood groups. There is nothing wrong with putting money toward these beneficent activities because they will help the least fortunate, and the money will be spent on things like food, shelter, medical care.

    I'm not interested in the lunatic rantings and outright distortions that some pass off as reality. They turn my stomach whether they come from the ultra right or the ultra left. We can't get good legislation and rational policy making when everyone is running nonsense out of their mouths.
    This is an economic stimulus bill, not a "line up at the door" deal. If it's a hand out, call it and hand out, and put it in a separate bill.

    The dems used this as a chance to fund a ton of stuff they couldn't the past eight years. Why now?

    We can't get good legislation and rational policy making when everyone is running nonsense out of their mouths.
    We can't get good legislation anyway, to be totally honest, because of the system.

    Why should funds go to either group?
    I should have said any group that is not creating value-added jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njr View Post
    Look, this kind of rhetoric is ridiculous:

    ACORN is a liberal group that is funded by Rockefeller Foundn money, among other big donors.

    This kind of Fox News/hide-bound reactionary rhetoric ......
    Among those big donors is the US Government (our money).
    ACORN has a history of voter fraud for more than a decade.
    They were a primary force behind the lawsuit (w/ Obama) to force Citibank to make risky mortgage loans in areas of Chicago that they did not want to and to low income clients that did not really qualify. All in the name of 'community activism'.
    They are being investigated for voter fraud in no less than 13 states. Wonder how far that will go with a justice dept being headed by an Obama Administration?
    Wonder why it is that all liberal/activist organizations need to be supported by our tax money?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    And where in the legislation is anything that says that money will go to Acorn or Move ON? .
    I just glanced over it and did no in depth reading. It could possibly be included amongst the cra*ola on p. 222.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Somehow I think the comments regarding huge amounts of money going to ACORN are likely misguided.

    The GOA Alert and my original post said:
    The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the far left anti-gun group under investigation for voter fraud, could be eligible to receive millions, if not billions of dollars from the economic bailout bill that passed out of the House of Representatives yesterday.
    emphasis added

    IMHO -- If they are it isn't brain surgery to see where this is going with their ties to The Obama campaign. If they got
    $28 million in taxpayer dollars in 2008 alone and over $53 million since 1994.
    , what can we expect now??

    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    In my community we have food pantries which would qualify as neighborhood groups. There is nothing wrong with putting money toward these beneficent activities because they will help the least fortunate, and the money will be spent on things like food, shelter, medical care.
    Hey I volunteer at a large soup kitchen. I have no problems with putting money toward these beneficent activities because they will help the least fortunate, and the money will be spent on things like food, shelter, medical care. But we sure didn't get a per capita share of $53 million since 1994.

    Also, to maintain our tax status we are clearly non-political -- in the intent as well as the letter of the law.

    Now OTOH
    ACORN was an aggressive supporter of Barack Obama -- who had served as the group’s legal counsel and even trained ACORN in “community organizing” -- in the presidential election. The Obama campaign even paid the group $800,000 for “voter turnout,” the very activities that came under scrutiny by the FBI.
    All this isn't going to change too many peoples' mind.

    But, I'd far rather see money actually putting people back to work.

    However, this site isn't the place for that exchange.

    Our senior volunteers didn't play a part in any sort of support of an ordinance in violation our State’s preemption law -- albeit the leader is very anti-gun. We leave that and other issues at the door and we devote our energy and what money we can raise on things like food and warm coats, and a little cheer for kids on Christmas.

    The major focus of this thread, IMHO, is that this is a "politically wired" anti-RKBA group feeding at the trough.
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    Don't think it is on p222 either, here's the text

    Quote Originally Posted by P7fanatic View Post
    I just glanced over it and did no in depth reading. It could possibly be included amongst the cra*ola on p. 222.

    I don't think it is here on page 222 either. Here is the text further down below on this page. Note the emphasis on , "For a further additional amount for ‘‘Community De6
    velopment Fund’’, $4,190,000,000, to be used for neigh
    borhood stabilization activities related to emergency as
    sistance for the redevelopment of abandoned and fore
    closed homes as authorized under division B, title III of"


    And note, "a competition for which eligible entities
    14 shall be States, units of general local government,
    15 and nonprofit entities or consortia of nonprofit entities."


    I'm quite sure they are talking about 501c3s which are prohibited from partisan politics, and even from lobbying.

    SO here is what the law says. I don't see a word about Acorn or Move On. Some folks just let their political paranoia get the better of them.

    GOA would appear more reputable if they didn't resort to this sort of distortion. NRA too would be more reputable if they avoided the rank partisan stuff. We can not win our point of view by dumping on large segments of the political class.

    SO-- Here's what it says on page 222. Not a word about Acorn or Move ON.

    ties:10 the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008 (Public
    11 Law 110–289), of which—
    12 (1) not less than $3,440,000,000 shall be allo13
    cated by a competition for which eligible entities
    14 shall be States, units of general local government,
    15 and nonprofit entities or consortia of nonprofit enti16
    ties: Provided, That the award criteria for such com17
    petition shall include grantee capacity, leveraging
    18 potential, targeted impact of foreclosure prevention,
    19 and any additional factors determined by the Sec20
    retary of Housing and Urban Development: Provided
    21 further, that the Secretary may establish a minimum
    22 grant size: Provided further, That amounts made
    23 available under this Section may be used to (A) es24
    tablish financing mechanisms for purchase and rede25
    velopment of foreclosed-upon homes and residentialFor a further additional amount for ‘‘Community De6
    velopment Fund’’, $4,190,000,000, to be used for neigh7
    borhood stabilization activities related to emergency as8
    sistance for the redevelopment of abandoned and fore9
    closed homes as authorized under division B, title III of
    10 the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008 (Public
    11 Law 110–289), of which—
    12 (1) not less than $3,440,000,000 shall be allo13
    cated by a competition for which eligible entities
    14 shall be States, units of general local government,
    15 and nonprofit entities or consortia of nonprofit enti16
    ties: Provided, That the award criteria for such com17
    petition shall include grantee capacity, leveraging
    18 potential, targeted impact of foreclosure prevention,
    19 and any additional factors determined by the Sec20
    retary of Housing and Urban Development: Provided
    21 further, that the Secretary may establish a minimum
    22 grant size: Provided further, That amounts made
    23 available under this Section may be used to (A) es24
    tablish financing mechanisms for purchase and rede25
    velopment of foreclosed-upon homes and residential

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    Community Developement Fund and Neighborhood Stabilization?
    This could include groups like ACORN, Planned Parenthood, etc., and with no specificity.....

    The ambiguity of this bill is appalling. I think Pelosi's has been putting this bill together for the last 3 months.
    How can you get a 600 page bill together in 2-3 days? You can't.
    It's stuffed with pork promises to their liberal causes when it should only include stimulus. Instead it just creates bigger government. If yiou remember, he promised 600,000 more government jobs.
    The problem with DC is instead of writing bills for what they are intended for, they always add amendments after amendments in order to bribe others for their vote. The bottom line is most of the crap that is included couldn't pass if it wasn't camouflaged within a huge stimulus bill. It's simply more fraud and waste pushed onto the American people.


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