VCDL: VA-ALERT legislative update 2/2/09

VCDL: VA-ALERT legislative update 2/2/09

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    Post VCDL: VA-ALERT legislative update 2/2/09

    1. SENATOR MARSH'S GUN SHOW BILL VOTE IS DELAYED AGAIN
    2. MORE PRO-GUN BILLS PASS OUT OF COMMITTEE
    3. WHO'S PARANOID? COLUMNIST DOESN'T HAVE A MIRROR

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    1. SENATOR MARSH'S GUN SHOW BILL VOTE IS DELAYED AGAIN
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    Senator Marsh on the Senate Floor asked that his gun show bill, SB
    1257, be passed by for the day again - thus avoiding a vote on that
    bill today.

    What does that mean?

    Probably that he can't get enough votes to pass the bill.

    The other two times this bill has made it to the Floor of the Senate
    over the years, this was how it worked out: they kept passing it by,
    hoping to find more votes and they kept losing votes the longer they
    delayed.

    If you haven't contacted your Senator to oppose SB 1257, do so now!


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    2. MORE PRO-GUN BILLS PASS OUT OF COMMITTEE
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    Today in the Senate Courts of Justice committee, the following bills
    were passed out of committee:

    SB 1384, Senator Stolle, repeals the Virginia law that requires police
    to enforce the federal silencer registration laws. The repeal makes
    perfect sense as Virginia law enforcement cannot get the silencer
    registration information for the Internal Revenue Service to enforce it.

    The bill passed by 11 to 4.

    Senators voting pro-gun (note that even Senator Saslaw supports this
    repeal):

    Saslaw, Stolle, Quayle, Norment, Edwards, Reynolds, Cuccinelli,
    Obenshain, McDougle, Deeds, Hurt

    Senators voting anti-gun:

    Marsh, Howell, Lucas, Puller

    -

    SB 1528, Senator Cuccinelli, clarifies that on-line training for a
    concealed handgun permit is acceptable.

    The bill passed by 11 to 4.

    Senators voting pro-gun (Senator Saslaw supported this clarification
    also. The vote was exactly the same as on Senator Stolle's silencer
    bill):

    Saslaw, Stolle, Quayle, Norment, Edwards, Reynolds, Cuccinelli,
    Obenshain, McDougle, Deeds, Hurt

    Senators voting anti-gun:

    Marsh, Howell, Lucas, Puller


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    3. WHO'S PARANOID? COLUMNIST DOESN'T HAVE A MIRROR
    ************************************************** **

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, Chris Fordney, a
    columnist for NVDaily.com, sets a new standard for blind hypocrisy in
    his article, "Guns are winning the capital."

    He says, "Among their [VCDL] victories in recent years have been to
    eliminate restrictions in state and national parks, where muggers,
    rapists and murderers are known to congregate in large numbers."

    That sarcastic jab at gun owners, implies that we are paranoid to feel
    the need to carry a gun in such "safe" places.

    But then he says, "I worry less these days about muggers and more
    about running into some wacko with a chip on his shoulder, a pistol
    **legally** hidden under his coat and a readiness to provoke someone
    into giving him an excuse to use it."

    That is such a bizarre statement on so many fronts, I don't even know
    where to begin addressing it. Permit holders are just looking for an
    excuse to murder someone? Or is that what YOU would do if you had a
    permit, Mr. Fordney?

    He then explains how he thinks that permit holders would shoot a
    fleeing felon in the back:

    "I figure if a robber runs up and sticks a gun in my face and demands
    my wallet, I will dramatically raise my chances of being killed if I
    pull out a gun. If I wait until he turns and runs with my money and
    then shoot him in the back, I've acted as cop, jury, judge and
    executioner over the loss of a few bucks and a couple of credit cards."

    Notice how naive that comment is.

    If only Cho had wanted a few bucks and a couple of credit cards. :-(

    Cho wanted LIVES, not money, Mr. Fordney. Until you understand that,
    you will continue to a babe in the woods, making naive comments,
    equating good people with bad ones, assigning to those good people all
    your own dark fantasies.

    So, while the papers are full of violent criminal behavior, and none
    of it by concealed handgun permit holders, you are SERIOUSLY worried
    about being a victim of a permit holder gone bad, Mr. Fordney?

    You stand a better chance of getting hit by lightning a dozen times:

    http://www.nvdaily.com/news/2009/02/...-in-capital.ht
    ml

    Chris Fordney: Guns are winning in capital | News | nvdaily.com

    Chris Fordney: Guns are winning in capital

    Philip Van Cleave has been kind enough to send me an e-mail about the
    activities of his group, the Virginia Citizens Defense League, which
    fights restrictions on guns for civilians and is not to be confused
    with the Virginia Defense Force, the state's unarmed military reserve
    organization.

    The VCDL has been as organized and active as usual this year. "Pro-gun
    bills flood General Assembly," the release is headlined.

    The group's Web site states that its rally in Richmond on Martin
    Luther King Jr. Day was "a stunning success." Some might think it was
    poor taste to hold it that day, but parking was free around the
    Capitol and gun-control groups have chosen that day for vigils, etc.,
    so the VCDL apparently wanted its folks to be there too.

    It's amazing how well the VCDL was received in Richmond. In the
    e-mail, Van Cleave acknowledges how cooperative Capitol police were
    for allowing members to be admitted by showing their concealed-carry
    permits. Now, where else would security let people in with guns?

    The VCDL is serving up its usual menu of bills that seek the lifting
    of controls on carrying concealed weapons just about anywhere. Among
    their victories in recent years have been to eliminate restrictions in
    state and national parks, where muggers, rapists and murderers are
    known to congregate in large numbers.

    By contrast, the perennial gun-control bill that would close the
    loophole that allows private sales at gun shows without background
    checks made it out of a Senate committee, but is considered an easy
    target for pro-gun Republicans in the House of Delegates.

    The VCDL is also chafing against the "onerous" one-gun-a-month
    purchase restriction in Virginia. This has been a terrible hardship,
    allowing each gun owner to buy only about 200 handguns since this law
    went into effect. It's harder to gauge its effect on gangsters who
    might want to stop off at a store in Virginia and fill up a suitcase
    with Glocks.

    Also, the much-feared gun seizure by President Obama has not come to
    pass. Obama has moved boldly and swiftly on a variety of his goals, so
    it's a mystery as to why he hasn't sent the feds into the South for
    the mass removal of firearms.

    So the guns seem to be winning and I have even considered joining the
    crowd and getting a concealed-carry permit. With 160,000 people in the
    commonwealth now carrying concealed heat, you know there must be a few
    kooks among that generally law-abiding bunch, and I want to be ready
    for when I come across one of them.

    Seriously, I worry less these days about muggers and more about
    running into some wacko with a chip on his shoulder, a pistol legally
    hidden under his coat and a readiness to provoke someone into giving
    him an excuse to use it.

    I figure if a robber runs up and sticks a gun in my face and demands
    my wallet, I will dramatically raise my chances of being killed if I
    pull out a gun. If I wait until he turns and runs with my money and
    then shoot him in the back, I've acted as cop, jury, judge and
    executioner over the loss of a few bucks and a couple of credit cards.

    Many people are carrying guns and have received training on how to use
    them. A much trickier issue is when to use them.

    Contact Chris Fordney at cfordney@nvdaily.com



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    VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc.
    (VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization
    dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to
    Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.

    VCDL web page: Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL)


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    I wrote our buddy Chris Fordney a nice little email.ear Chris (Mr.Anti Gun),

    I live in VA and have a concealed gun permit. I love to read your commentary about what you think us gun owners would due in a situation or being robbed or mugged. I guess having no spine or back bone does not even make you human. I don't know if you have a family or not, but from your comments it seams you would just roll over and get killed rather then defend you family or your self. If you think that we don't need guns then lets take them all away including from police,military.FBI,CIA and even secret service. you also tend to forget that it is our second amendment the right to keep and bear arms. I don't know if you recall this but the Virginia Tech Massacre, what if one just one of the professors had a concealed weapon and proper training how many lives would have been save? Ask yourself that question.
    Best Regards
    Mike

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