Today - montana people support this action ! Hb228 self defense bill

Today - montana people support this action ! Hb228 self defense bill

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    Today - montana people support this action ! Hb228 self defense bill

    The 3rd and final reading with vote is today 10FEB2009 TUESDAY - TODAY !

    09FEB 2009 MON
    The video of today's Second Reading action on HB 228 is now on YouTube (thanks Jamie!) at:
    > YouTube - InMT2009's Channel


    http://laws.leg.mt.gov/laws09/LAW0203W$BSRV.ActionQuery?P_BLTP_BILL_TYP_CD=HB&P_ BILL_NO=228&P_BILL_DFT_NO=&P_CHPT_NO=&Z_ACTION=Fin d&P_SBJ_DESCR=&P_SBJT_SBJ_CD=&P_LST_NM1=&P_ENTY_ID _SEQ=


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    Montana Self-Defense Bill Clears Major Hurdle,
    Possible Third Reading Tomorrow!
    Please Contact Your State Representative Today!

    Today, the full House voted in support of House Bill 228 by a 58-42 margin, narrowly beating back hostile amendments that threatened the meat of the bill. NRA backed amendments that clarified the defensive display language were adopted by a 93-6 margin and the measure now goes before the House for a final Third Read.



    House Bill 228, sponsored by State Representative Krayton Kerns (R-58), is a broad piece of legislation that provides a number of specific protections for law-abiding citizens. The provisions of HB 228 clarify and expand the fundamental right of
    self-defense and protect law abiding citizens from undue prosecution should they ever have to exercise the right. HB 228, as amended by the House
    Judiciary Committee, still does the following:



    · Clarifies the ability of law-abiding citizens to carry a firearm in plain view and to display the firearm for harmless defensive purposes;

    · Allows a person who can lawfully possess a firearm and who doesn't use it to commit a criminal offense to carry it concealed anywhere in the state without first obtaining governmental permission;

    · Prevents landlords and hotel operators from restricting law-abiding citizens' self-defense rights;

    · Clarifies in statute the existing legal precedent that there is no duty to retreat from a threat before exercising the right to self-defense and allows a law-abiding citizen to use reasonable force in exercising the existing law that gives a private person the authority to arrest an offender;

    · Ensures that self-defense claims are adequately considered during incident investigations; and,

    · Shifts to the state, if self-defense is asserted by a defendant in a criminal case, the burden of proving an absence of justification.



    For a section-by-section analysis of HB 228 to help you better understand and communicate with legislators, please visit Explanation of MSSA Self Defense Bill.

    Please contact your State Representative TODAY and respectfully urge them to vote for HB 228. Also, please contact the 58 Representatives who voted in support of HB 228, in particular the nine Democrats, (Hiner, Jopek, Kottel, McChesney, Mehlhoff, Art and Pat Noonan, Steenson, and Van Dyk) to thank them for their vote and kindly ask for their continued support. You may call (406) 444-4800 to leave a message for your legislators. You may also use the "online message form" located here. When contacting your State Representative, it is important that you be as respectful and courteous as possible. Long, terse, rude, and disrespectful messages are counterproductive.

    If you don't know who your legislator is, please click here.

    Once you identify your legislator, you can find email contact information by clicking on his or her name at the following alphabetical listing of legislators:
    Montana Legislature: Sessions.






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    Sounds good,but the only drawback I see is if you travel much to reciprocating states you would still need a Concealed Handgun license to carry outside of Montana
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    Montana will still have the option of the permit - to get it or not.

    If you want permit you can get one.

    If you do not want permit then you do not have to have a permit to carry just like VT and AK.

    Some people get wrapped around the axle about permits, as far as I am concerned permits are just silly worthless pieces of paper. Some people brag about having them and getting them. Yes I have one just because it is required not because I want one.

    Follow the 2A then 20000 laws and [Edited] permits can go in the toilet where they belong.
    Last edited by Captain Crunch; February 10th, 2009 at 01:20 PM. Reason: Edited language.

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    Those of us in Montana aren't patting ourselves on our backs just yet. It's way too early for that.

    This bill still has to make it through the State Senate. If any changes are made, the bill will go back to the House to iron out those changes.

    It's a long, long way to the Governor's desk...

    Montana Legislature: From Bill to Law Diagram


    When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
    And the women come out to cut up what remains,
    Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
    And go to your God like a soldier.

    Rudyard Kipling


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    A Lot of Men and Women have Died for these Rights !

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Crunch View Post
    Those of us in Montana aren't patting ourselves on our backs just yet. It's way too early for that.

    This bill still has to make it through the State Senate. If any changes are made, the bill will go back to the House to iron out those changes.

    It's a long, long way to the Governor's desk...

    Montana Legislature: From Bill to Law Diagram
    Yes, it has a long way too go become law, but it is better to have tried and failed than to have never tried at all (or words to that affect).

    Have you contacted your Representative and request his/her support ? Are you ready to contact your Senator and request his/her support ? Have you traveled to Helena to testify to support this bill ?

    Gary Marbut MSSA cannot do this by himself but it can be done with wide spread grassroots support.

    For Montana and the rest of the country I hope it becomes law, then maybe others states will do the same including Wyoming (maybe we can get Wyoming Shooting Sports Association engaged like Gary Marbut MSSA is engaged).

    A lot of Men and Women have died for these Rights ! over the last plus 230 years !

    Better to be Positive than Negative and Better to be Pro-Active than sitting on the bleachers.

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    Great start !!! Keep the pressure on ...
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    The second rule: "Bring enough gun"

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    Yes, it has a long way too go become law, but it is better to have tried and failed than to have never tried at all (or words to that affect).
    Agreed. As you well know, we tried & failed in 2005 and 2007, too.

    Have you contacted your Representative and request his/her support ? Are you ready to contact your Senator and request his/her support ?
    Yes and yes.

    Have you traveled to Helena to testify to support this bill ?
    Nope, sorry, I live too far away. Doesn't mean I don't support the bill.

    I'm not saying this legislation can't pass, just that given its past history, it's going to be an uphill battle. So pardon me if I sound a bit skeptical. I'm quite familiar with the political climate in Montana. It doesn't help much that the MSSA has made a few enemies in Helena.

    As an aside, guess what other weighty matter is being considered by the 2009 Montana Legislature this week?

    A bill to establish an Official State Pancake! (Huckleberry, BTW.)


    When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
    And the women come out to cut up what remains,
    Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains,
    And go to your God like a soldier.

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    http://laws.leg.mt.gov/laws09/LAW0203W$BSRV.ActionQuery?P_BLTP_BILL_TYP_CD=HB&P_ BILL_NO=228&P_BILL_DFT_NO=&P_CHPT_NO=&Z_ACTION=Fin d&P_SBJ_DESCR=&P_SBJT_SBJ_CD=&P_LST_NM1=&P_ENTY_ID _SEQ=

    MT HB 228 SELF DEFENSE BILL passes the House - 60 to 40 now off to the Senate ! Good Job Montana !

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