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    From billofrights.com

    The government of the United States gave individuals protection through the Bill of Rights as the first 10 amendments to the United States Constitution as they are collectively and commonly known. While there are now many more amendments to the Constitution, perhaps the most crucial are the Bill of Rights. Their primary significance is that they guarantee indivudual rights will be afforded the people without interference from the government. In doing this, the Bill of Rights, in many ways, serves as the cornerstone of our country and helps to balance the protection of the people’s liberty by the federal government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    I asked you some simple questions. That you choose to evade, obfuscate, elude, circumvent is evidence that you are ill prepared to address the issues . . . It would also be interesting for you to provide the section in the Constitution that supports your assertion that the Court has the power to 'determine what the laws passed by the legislative branch really mean.'

    Can you post the section of the Constitution that grants that power to the Court? Or will you continue to evade, elude, duck and dodge the question?
    Uhh, how about this for not "evading, eluding, ducking, and/or dodging the question.

    Article III

    Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.

    Section 2. The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.

    It seems to me that the one here who has no idea what he's talking about is YOU!




    I think you are weak on your Constitutional history. In fact, grade school children can identify the Bill of Rights as being the first ten Amendments. Are you sure you don't want to simply acknowledge your error?
    Now you're relying on the beliefs of grade school children to determine what is, and isn't, "the Bill of Rights?" I would think that someone who pretends to be as knowledgeable as yourself would know better than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob P. View Post

    Now you're relying on the beliefs of grade school children to determine what is, and isn't, "the Bill of Rights?" I would think that someone who pretends to be as knowledgeable as yourself would know better than that.
    I was always told that the first ten amendments were the "Bill of Rights" It was just a name givin to the first group of amendments. When did the historians start adding other amendments to it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob P. View Post
    Now you're relying on the beliefs of grade school children to determine what is, and isn't, "the Bill of Rights?" I would think that someone who pretends to be as knowledgeable as yourself would know better than that.
    Rob, I guessed you didn't agree with the explanation of the "Bill of Rights" that concealed posted above your comment.

    How about this one direct from the US archives....

    During the debates on the adoption of the Constitution, its opponents repeatedly charged that the Constitution as drafted would open the way to tyranny by the central government. Fresh in their minds was the memory of the British violation of civil rights before and during the Revolution. They demanded a "bill of rights" that would spell out the immunities of individual citizens. Several state conventions in their formal ratification of the Constitution asked for such amendments; others ratified the Constitution with the understanding that the amendments would be offered.

    On September 25, 1789, the First Congress of the United States therefore proposed to the state legislatures 12 amendments to the Constitution that met arguments most frequently advanced against it. The first two proposed amendments, which concerned the number of constituents for each Representative and the compensation of Congressmen, were not ratified. Articles 3 to 12, however, ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures, constitute the first 10 amendments of the Constitution, known as the Bill of Rights.

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    If you are talking about rights guaranteed by the US Constitution such as the 2nd Amendment then the role to protect those rights falls to the Federal Government.

    If you are talking about a right guaranteed by a State Constitution then the protector of that particular right falls to the State government

    I'm in no way saying this is how it is working out in reality. Just the way it is supposed to be.
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