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    Senate Concurrent Resolution No. 1609
    By Senator Pilcher-Cook
    2-11
    A CONCURRENT RESOLUTION claiming sovereignty under the
    Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over cer-
    tain powers; serving notice to the federal government to cease and
    desist certain mandates; providing that certain federal legislation be
    prohibited or repealed; and directing distribution.

    WHEREAS, The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United
    States reads as follows:
    ‘‘The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
    nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively,
    or to the people.’’; and

    WHEREAS, The Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal
    power as being that specifically granted by the Constitution of the United
    States and no more; and

    WHEREAS, The scope of power defined by the Tenth Amendment
    means that the federal government was created by the states specifically
    to be an agent of the states; and

    WHEREAS, Today, in 2009, the states are demonstrably treated as
    agents of the federal government; and

    WHEREAS, Many federal laws are directly in violation of the Tenth
    Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and

    WHEREAS, The Tenth Amendment assures that we, the people of
    the United States of America and each sovereign state in the Union of
    States, now have, and have always had, rights the federal government may
    not usurp; and

    WHEREAS, Article IV, Section 4 says, ‘‘The United States shall guar-
    antee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government’’,
    and the Ninth Amendment states that ‘‘The enumeration in the Consti-
    tution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others
    retained by the people’’; and

    WHEREAS, The United States Supreme Court has ruled in New York
    v. United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that Congress may not simply
    commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the states; and

    WHEREAS, A number of proposals from previous administrations
    and some now pending from the present administration and from Con-
    gress may further violate the Constitution of the United States.

    Be it resolved by the Senate of the State of Kansas, the House of Representatives concurring therein: That the State of Kansas hereby claims
    sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the
    United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to
    the federal government by the Constitution of the United States;

    Be it further resolved: That this serve as Notice and Demand to the
    federal government, as out agent, to cease and desist, effective immedi-
    ately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally del-
    egated powers;

    Be it further resolved: That all compulsory federal legislation which
    directs states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties or sanc-
    tions or requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding be pro-
    hibited or repealed; and

    Be it further resolved: That a copy of this resolution be distributed
    to the President of the United States, the President of the United States
    Senate, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, the
    Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate of each state’s
    legislature of the United States of America, and each member of the
    Kansas Congressional Delegation.

    Introduced February 11, 2009 and referred to the Judiciary Committee on February 12, 2009.
    Apparently, Kansas is now one of the states passing resolutions attempting to exert their sovereignty.
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    US States Filing State Sovereignty Laws

    US States Filing State Sovereignty Laws

    Executive Summary- In the USA states have rights under the US constitution. These rights are those not specifically delegated to the Federal Government and those specifically not prohibited from being exercised by the States in the Constitution. In recent years the USA has been seriously infringing on the rights of the individuals and the States. Now on the heels of the financial crisis, which is still ongoing and even increasing in magnitude, the States (20 of them) are putting their foot down and saying no to the Federal Government. They are stating that the Federal Government has no right to govern the States in a way that restricts their rights under the constitution.

    The areas of concern seem to be mainly spending but the various bills in the different States do focus on numerous other issues. The states have been mandated to increase state payroll to comply with federal laws. Now the states are going broke but they do not have the ability to print money like the Federal Government does, so they are in a more serious form of trouble. Please not the Federal Government is trying to bailout the States to put them back to sleep.

    Other concerns brought out in the States right legislation are abortion being forced on the States who do not approve of this practice, infringement of right to own guns, certain guns, and ammunition, the Real ID Act telling them how to do the States driver licenses (some states have already flat out refused to comply), and a warning to the Federal Government not to suspend the constitution, and not to declare martial law without the permission of the States. The Arizona bill has jail sentences for any Federal official who violates their rights. Hawaii has a bill that essentially puts them out of the Union. Several other States have been trying to pass legislation to drop out of the USA as well. New Hampshire has a bill that is warning the Federal Government that if they infringe on States rights they will consider the Federal Government invalid since it violates the very document that empowers it and thus reaffirm the constitution, and elect a new congress and president but they do need 2/3 of the States in agreement to do this and that is not so far away.

    There are 20 states with such bills now (almost 50%) and the number is growing. It will be interesting to see if these bills move forward, get enacted and if the Federal Government listens to them or resorts to violence to enforce their will on the states. It is felt that Obama is too insecure, too new and too inexperienced to have to deal with something like this but as the case may be he may have to deal with it. Since Obama is a minority he could trigger serious discrimination riots if he plays this wrong. A lot of people who were gravely offended by the Bush violation of civil rights will push against Obama very hard to test his mettle and see if he will reverse what Bush did. So far no good. Obama is sticking to “Extraordinary Rendition” which is where the USA kidnaps people without any due process from any country in the world and detains them without any trial, lawyers etc.

    Bush was a scary character and many felt if he were threatened he would invoke martial law, suspend the elections and lo and behold a USA version of Chavez would be born. If Bush did this it would undoubtedly have been an ugly scenario for many. Obama contrary to his campaign promises pushed his financial rescue bill through, all 1000 pages without any member of Congress having any time to really read it. Obama did not accept comments as he said he would either. One could say Obama was in a mad rush to keep order in the country but everyone knows if this were the case Obama could have just went to direct grants or suspended the income tax for a few month etc. Obama did not want the people to think that a suspension of income tax was possible because then it would never come back easily. Same for grants. They do not want the people to know such a thing is possible. It looks like Obama is conditioning the people to shut up and take what he dishes out. Let’s see how the states do in their fight for freedom and if Obama gets shaken enough to give the people back some of the rights Bush took away.

    Discussion – Arizona, New Hampshire and other States are waking the people up to the actual document that empowers the federal government called the constitution. Arizona is saying that if they are joined by 34 other states they can re-affirm the constitution, elect a new Congress and a New President. This is essentially a peaceful overthrow of the Federal Government. A weak novice like Obama is a great asset to those seeking a revolution of any sort. If you were going to do a peaceful overthrow of the Federal Government he is exactly the guy you want in the White House. Obama is failing fast and the people are getting the idea that they have been had. If you are out of work and cannot pay your bills three months is a long time and Obama is talking about years. He does not have years. The people do not have years. Being homeless, without health insurance etc is life threatening.

    Implications - Not so sure about the success of this one but it does show revolution is in the air in the USA. The USA is a divided country. There is a lot of racial strife and prejudice. There is a lot of hatred concerning sexual rights, religious rights, abortion, firearms, and a number of other issues. They have several languages in the USA – English, Spanish, Cantonese and Mandarin. This always hurts a country. They have 12 to 20 million illegal aliens not paying taxes, taking work from out of work citizens and getting public benefits they do not pay for. The USA is fighting wars they cannot afford to fight far away from their shores. They are still playing world policeman, which again they have never been appointed to this role by anyone and they cannot afford it. Their own country is in shambles with bank failures, high unemployment, people unable to afford medical care or insurance for this, their real estate market is crumbling, the people have debt they cannot pay, jobs are being lost by the millions, their states are facing bankruptcy, the stock market and pensions have taken a big beating and it is getting worse daily.

    Crime is high, prisons are overcrowded, their streets are generally not safe, and drug addiction is widespread. The USA is a country where people do not even know where the Indian Ocean is and many would not be able to show you where Washington D.C. is on a map. A large percentage of the USA is illiterate. Millions are in prison. Millions are on one or another form of public welfare or assistance. In other words a large percentage of the USA is so uneducated they have no idea of what the constitution is, let alone having ever read it. Forget about reading it and understanding it. Another large part of the USA is being supported by the government and can care less about anything as long as their check comes every week they are happy. There is a small but growing part of the population that wants to take back their country and restore their civil rights. In their first revolution only 15% of the population got active in the revolution. Many just sat by and watched the two sides fight it out, neutrality if you will.

    I think the USA government has way more than 15% of their country mad at them to the point of wanting a real change, not an Obama change. Later on with States rights comes the talk of declaring the Federal Reserve System an illegal Ponzi scheme and the states will nullify that debt thus taking the burden of the national debt off of the people. This will hurt at most a few hundred bankers. If you kill the Federal Reserve you kill the IRS too. How many Americans have you ever met who are not working for the US government or being supported by them who think the IRS is a good thing. Probably none. The ones that work for the US Government, or the state governments or are being supported by these governments cannot carry the load; they are service employees intended to service those that work productive jobs. The government employees cannot be the top of the food chain, it is ridiculous to have it this way but that is what they have now.

    Kill the federal debt relieving 300 million people at the expense of a few bankers, this is easy to sell to people out of work, being foreclosed on and scared about being homeless and dying in the streets. Who operated a flawed system that caused all of this grief to start with anyway? Remember Bush caused a world wide economic crisis and many countries are really mad and they too would welcome an end to this financial madness that the USA dishes out. If the States get out from under the debt to the private Federal Reserve then the US dollar will be defunct, the bonds worthless and it can get very dramatic all over the world. BY the way if the States cancel the debt to the Federal Reserve those with mortgages will just have title to their homes and the same for financed cars since the banks will be closed and out of business. This is an easy sell, compared to what Obama is offering, Got it! Just wait a bit and watch. This is a peaceful easy revolution not requiring any heroics; guts or fighting that benefits the people as a whole.

    It seems the states right campaign embraced in 20 states so far can really get legs and run. More states will join in. The states, which have a majority of the people on public welfare or government payrolls, will not want this. The large corporations are so screwed up they will probably secretly support the change. They will get out from under their bank loans and being to sprint out of the box into profitability quite easily. The Federal Government has regulated them into the ground. They are facing bankruptcy. They know the bailout is not going to do much good in the long run. They know the debt load on the people after the bailout is going to mean way more taxation and the government just keeps growing. Whatever is left of the unions is scared. They will want change.

    A Russian of some renown not too long ago predicted the USA would break up into four or five countries. This seems plausible. If the States cannot get a majority of 35 States to confirm the Constitution, and elect a new Congress and President they may just group together in clusters and drop out of the USA forming their own nations individually or in clusters. This is similar to what happened in the USSR. It is very doubtful that any of these newer nations would continue to pay the Federal Reserve debt. The USA has no recourse against them; war is out since they are their own people. The Federal Reserve Bank will just have to accept that they had a good run for almost 100 years and it came to an end. They bankrupted countless others and so it came back to them and they go bankrupt.

    Warning – The mainstream media will not carry these stories regarding States rights. Look to the alternative media for updates. If this goes and they eventually dissolve the Federal Reserve the money of the USA will need changing. They will probably go to gold and silver direct as per the constitution. You could take a big hit if just holding dollars. Diversify with several currencies, real estate in multiple countries, foreign money markets, foreign government bonds (the ones not heavily holding US monetary reserves or debt), gold, silver, diamonds, collectables, etc. The transition will be tough but what Obama offers is real tough with no light at the end of his tunnel. A new government without the Federal Reserve debt has a bright light at the end of the tunnel.

    The new nations will go to a more constitutional government with a government that would be about 5% in size per capita as the one that they have now. The government would serve the people not the other way around. They will stick to the constitution and not tax income. They will be tax and privacy havens par excellence. Government would have precious little ability to tell the people what to do other than no stealing, no murder etc. Freedoms would abound. Law and order would be enforced with serious consequences for violators to keep the streets very safe. Businesses without all the red tape, regulations, taxes etc would flourish. Exports would soar. Their goal would be to minimize imports. They would start growing crops again. They would close their borders. Inflation and deflation would be a thing of the past. The government would not be able to fluctuate the money supply like now causing depressions and inflation.

    Parting Thought – When the people have no ability to go to the doctor when they or their children are sick it is a sign that change is coming. When 6900 people a day get foreclosed on it is a sign that change is coming. When 3 million people lose their jobs in one year it is a sign that change is coming. In 2009 the first month tally for lost jobs was 600,000. We are now seeing articles about white-collar homelessness. This means college educated people are becoming homeless due to a lack of work. It will be worse as the year progresses.

    There maybe as many as 5 or 6 million jobs lost during 2009. This means change is coming. When people cannot pay their electric bills, heating bills, buy gasoline, make their car payments, keep their phone on, keep their Internet on etc it is a sign that change is coming. The USA is a country with more guns than people. No one really knows how much ammunition is stored in homes but many people have several thousand rounds of ammunition. If change has to come better it comes peacefully and the States rights method is a great way to start over and fix things. The law Obama is signing will not do much and it will take a long time.

    People are very quickly getting off the Obama bandwagon. Probably a lot faster than Obama realized. He inherited an overwhelming mess. Obama did not cause the problem. Maybe no one could fix it. The obvious conclusion here is change. States rights is actually a way to effect change through the system. If the Federal Government goes to direct grants to the people to let them pay their bills, pay off their mortgages, provides free healthcare coverage, suspends income taxes etc then the people will calm down and be patient since the help will be on the way in days not years. If this bill Obama will sign does not work (it is expected to not do much at all) in a couple of months he may be forced to go the direct way, if they have that much time and if they can afford to keep printing money.

    Remember before they lose control of the country they will print massive amounts of money, hyper inflation when they are in control is better than losing control. Well let’s wait and watch but in the meantime watch your assets and remember the former USSR and the breakup. Don’t think it cannot happen to the USA, especially since 20 states already have drafted legislation in process.
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    "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right – a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit." – Abraham Lincoln, (speech in Congress January 1848)
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    I like this part.

    Crime is high, prisons are overcrowded, their streets are generally not safe, and drug addiction is widespread. The USA is a country where people do not even know where the Indian Ocean is and many would not be able to show you where Washington D.C. is on a map. A large percentage of the USA is illiterate. Millions are in prison. Millions are on one or another form of public welfare or assistance. In other words a large percentage of the USA is so uneducated they have no idea of what the constitution is, let alone having ever read it. Forget about reading it and understanding it. Another large part of the USA is being supported by the government and can care less about anything as long as their check comes every week they are happy.
    And this part too.

    People are very quickly getting off the Obama bandwagon. Probably a lot faster than Obama realized.
    It seems that the whole point of the article is that individual states are attempting to pass laws to let the feds know that states rights won't be trampled on anymore by Obama.

    As if it was OBAMA who has been in power while the mess was created.

    And, don't blame the democrats in general for the mess we're in. It was the REPUBLICANS who were in power the last 8 years. Republicans who passed even more entitlement programs full of pork. They had a majority and could have ended farm, oil, tech, etc. subsidies but they didn't. They could have ended federal oversight of schools but they didn't. In fact they passed laws which made federal oversight of schools even more possible and stricter guidelines for schools as well.

    The article goes on and on about how poorly educated the citizens are. Yet it was THE INDIVIDUAL STATES who were doing such a poor job. The REPUBLICANS had to step in with "no child left behind" to try to set standards to end illiteracy in our schools. A fact conveniently left out of the article BY the Republicans.

    It ain't the DEMS that are the problem here. It's the Republicans. And the only ones who can't seem to see that are the Republicans themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob P. View Post
    I like this part.



    And this part too.



    It seems that the whole point of the article is that individual states are attempting to pass laws to let the feds know that states rights won't be trampled on anymore by Obama.

    As if it was OBAMA who has been in power while the mess was created.

    And, don't blame the democrats in general for the mess we're in. It was the REPUBLICANS who were in power the last 8 years. Republicans who passed even more entitlement programs full of pork. They had a majority and could have ended farm, oil, tech, etc. subsidies but they didn't. They could have ended federal oversight of schools but they didn't. In fact they passed laws which made federal oversight of schools even more possible and stricter guidelines for schools as well.

    The article goes on and on about how poorly educated the citizens are. Yet it was THE INDIVIDUAL STATES who were doing such a poor job. The REPUBLICANS had to step in with "no child left behind" to try to set standards to end illiteracy in our schools. A fact conveniently left out of the article BY the Republicans.

    It ain't the DEMS that are the problem here. It's the Republicans. And the only ones who can't seem to see that are the Republicans themselves.
    Hey, chill out you are way off base the original quotes come from a totally BS source it is the blog of some law firm in Panama. Don't hijack this and turn it into a party ******* contest. The fact is we have problems and some states are trying to address these issues with the Federal Government. These issues date back decades so cut with the BHO vs GWB crap. Don't get your knickers in a twist over what someone in Panama thinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob P. View Post
    t seems that the whole point of the article is that individual states are attempting to pass laws to let the feds know that states rights won't be trampled on anymore by Obama.

    As if it was OBAMA who has been in power while the mess was created.

    And, don't blame the democrats in general for the mess we're in. It was the REPUBLICANS who were in power the last 8 years. Republicans who passed even more entitlement programs full of pork. They had a majority and could have ended farm, oil, tech, etc. subsidies but they didn't. They could have ended federal oversight of schools but they didn't. In fact they passed laws which made federal oversight of schools even more possible and stricter guidelines for schools as well.

    The article goes on and on about how poorly educated the citizens are. Yet it was THE INDIVIDUAL STATES who were doing such a poor job. The REPUBLICANS had to step in with "no child left behind" to try to set standards to end illiteracy in our schools. A fact conveniently left out of the article BY the Republicans.

    It ain't the DEMS that are the problem here. It's the Republicans. And the only ones who can't seem to see that are the Republicans themselves.
    I think most people here would agree that there is not one party responsible for the problems we face these days. This is the price we pay for having professional politicians. It's not a republican or a democrat issue, its a power issue. A sizable portion of the politicians that have been elected are on a do-anything-to-stay-in-power trip. They only have to represent their constituents once ever 2 or 6 years.

    The federal government is very disconnected from the real world. The government at the state level is much more effective for dealing with issues concerning "We the People". My state Senator lives not 10 minutes from my house. The same problems that affect me from day to day will probably affect him as well. Even though our politics are very different, he still has to come home at night and see the place and the people he represents. The representatives to the federal government on the other hand DON'T come back to SC every night, so the only contact they have with their constituents is the letters, emails and calls, WE give them.

    These bills are the states finally saying WE know what's best for US and OUR people. Good for them.
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    Rob - The economy was good until 2 years ago when the Dems took over the House and Senate. You're are making a blanket statement as the Dems decided (going back to the "Slick Willie" days) that everyone in America should have a home and forced lenders to give mortgages to people that could not pay them back. Does the name Barney Frank ring a bell?
    That's why I laugh when Obama places the blame on the lenders and not the folks being intelligent enough to make their own decisions.
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    I think these resolutions are a great start but I'd love to see some type of lawsuit by the AGs of the states against the federal gubment to get them to actually cease and decist. The problem is they would be suing the fedra gubment in fedra court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akhimark View Post
    I think these resolutions are a great start but I'd love to see some type of lawsuit by the AGs of the states against the federal gubment to get them to actually cease and decist. The problem is they would be suing the fedra gubment in fedra court.
    But judges level at every are supposed to ... never mind ... never mind
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    Money makes everything go round. If the pressure gets too hot, then the feds take away the money from the states. Roads, education, infrastructure....Think how much each state gets in Federal money for various projects and issues. They already "Blackmail" states that way.

    "Reduce your air pollution or we will stop the 2 billion in road and bridge improvements funding"
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    Well, since were going this route. My Governor gets it! Watched Mark Sanford on Hannity last night say that SC will go through the bill with a fine tooth comb and not accept stimulus money that has strings attached. Bobby Jindal has done the same though Nagin says he'll take any money LA doesnt want (go figure).

    I think Texas is on board too. Ya gotta love the south.

    I am really glad that I moved to SC and am proud to live here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbqgrill View Post
    Hey, chill out you are way off base the original quotes come from a totally BS source it is the blog of some law firm in Panama. Don't hijack this and turn it into a party ******* contest. The fact is we have problems and some states are trying to address these issues with the Federal Government. These issues date back decades so cut with the BHO vs GWB crap. Don't get your knickers in a twist over what someone in Panama thinks.
    Thanks for posting this. The thread wasnt expected to be a ******* contest about Conservatives and Liberals.

    Here is my stand on professional politicians. Term limits for congress and no more than 1/3 of the legislators can be lawyers.

    Problem solved. As soon as Richard the Air Conditioning guy and people like him become politicians we will be better off.

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    While I do seriously consider this (USA breaking up into at least 2 different countries - the original 13 colonies, then the rest) a possibility, I also believe it would be complete anarchy for at least 4 years.

    This is a topic worthy of discussion (not argument).

    Wipe the slate clean from the current federal govt. and the US dollar. What do the people have? Nothing.

    Those that are employed...can not and will not get paid for some time, a great many people will not be going to work. Even the people they work for (who are in the business to make money - nothing is for free) will shut down anyway.

    Those that are homeless, or living in poverty, will find it so easy to cross the line to "take what you want".

    Those that rent houses or apartments...WOW. You think the landlords are going to just shrug and let tenants stay free of payment of any kind?

    Food - Stores or restaurants. Empty in 2 hours.

    Hospitals & Dr. Offices - overwhelmed and will be out of medicine in a day.

    Transportation - we run on oil, that oil will be turned off.

    Utilities - see above.

    Communication - Phones, internet...gone. Back to the stone age (unless you happen to own a generator, or other alternative off the grid method of power and have a radio or three, talk about being a target).

    The Federal Govt will have the blue hats (UN) stepping in to restore order, that is a guarantee. I doubt that there would be any hesitation on their part to use force to get compliance. This will not be a peaceful transition. All large pubic venues will turn into holding cells.

    It is all well and good to give the Feds warning, but unless the States have a plan (contemplate that one) for such an event to keep order and the infrastructure running until arrangements and agreements are made with other States, it has no teeth.

    Look how long it takes to do an election right now. Imagine hitting the reset button and having to fill each position from scratch.

    I'd enjoy hearing some plans to actually put this into effect.
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    these are all concurrent resolutions though, there is no force of law. its more of a 'we're just letting you know how we feel' type of thing...

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    Money makes everything go round. If the pressure gets too hot, then the feds take away the money from the states. Roads, education, infrastructure....Think how much each state gets in Federal money for various projects and issues. They already "Blackmail" states that way.

    "Reduce your air pollution or we will stop the 2 billion in road and bridge improvements funding"
    you pay federal taxes right?

    well all that 'federal' tax would now go to the state.

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