Michigan bill to remove "gun free zones"

Michigan bill to remove "gun free zones"

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    Exclamation Michigan bill to remove "gun free zones"

    Michigan people

    check out bill HB 4348 (2009) Michigan Legislature

    It removes "gun free zones" from the CPL. All of them!! Write your congresscritters and tell them to support it!!

    It is in the Judiciary Comittee right now. Introduced on 2/14/09 Below is a Copy/Paste of all of the committee's email addresses.

    markmeadows@house.mi.gov; EllenLipton@house.mi.gov; LisaBrown@house.mi.gov; bobconstan@house.mi.gov; marccorriveau@house.mi.gov; andycoulouris@house.mi.gov; AndrewKandrevas@house.mi.gov; bettiecookscott@house.mi.gov; rebekahwarren@house.mi.gov; tonyaschuitmaker@house.mi.gov; JustinAmash@house.mi.gov; JosephHaveman@house.mi.gov; rickjones@house.mi.gov; EileenKowall@house.mi.gov; toryrocca@house.mi.gov


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    Good work on the links. Back when they were still thinking about writing this bill, I wrote to my rep and got a big "bugger off" letter back. I think some inner-city non-literate high school intern wrote it because the sentences weren't complete and it was like a foreigner wrote it. Oh well, I'll make contact with some of these. I'm not very hopeful, but I still have hope.
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    This is very cool. The fact that it has been introduced at all is illustrative of how few the problems from licensed carry have been.

    I really like the potential for removal of the restrictions, as it will provide greater Freedom of choice for the CC'er, and greater security for those in places where CC is currently prohibited. Never understood having to disarm to visit a relative or my Dr. in a hospital for example. That one desn't even seem to make sense on it's face.

    While some may think it makes sense for bars, I'll contend that since drinking is essentially prohibited while carrying (blood alcohol limit of .02%), that should not prohibit me from joining a group of friends who go into the local watering hole for a burger and a few beers (I'm already a great candidate for designated driver as I don't drink anyway!). Many States allow carry in bars, and have found it not to be problematic.

    Many of the other restricted places are equally ridiculous. An entertainment facility that seats more than 2500? Okay, so when I go to catch a show at the Fox, I'm forced to A. disarm in the car, leaving my weapon (even though locked in a strong box) vulnerable to theft, and myself vulnerable to BG's from leaving the car in parking, walking downtown Detroit, the show venue itself and returning to the car, or B. making the entire trip unarmed (not going to happen). Or, I can simply stay away (which is mostly what I do). Same with casino's.

    I think repeal of that section of the law would be a great thing. Both for CC'ers and for the State. I hope it passes. I'll be contacting my elected officials.
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    E mail sent to my rep Eileen Kowell in support of HB 4348. Thanks for the info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cupcake View Post
    Good work on the links. Back when they were still thinking about writing this bill, I wrote to my rep and got a big "bugger off" letter back. I think some inner-city non-literate high school intern wrote it because the sentences weren't complete and it was like a foreigner wrote it. Oh well, I'll make contact with some of these. I'm not very hopeful, but I still have hope.
    Yeah I could see this being shot down if it hits the house floor, and of course the senate and Jenny need to approve of it. But I think its better to make noise and let them know that we want this than to let it die from lack of attention.

    Mark Meadows, the Judiciary chairman, was mayor of East Lansing during the MCRGO v Ferndale lawsuit. He put up the "no guns" signs on the city's library and other places, only to get smacked down by the courts. He is probably the person who needs the most lobbying.

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    Update

    I also posted this to THR. Someone over there made a nice premade letter for people to use.

    THR link

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    Jenny will sign it. It needs to get out of committee to get a vote and I can see it happening.
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    Hope it gets thru and Jenny does sign it.
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    I have a list of all the state reps pre-formatted for mass emailing if any one is interested. I tried to post it here but it was to long so if you PM me with your E-mail I will forward it to you.
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    This is great news. Thank you to the sponsors: Richard LeBlanc, Joel Sheltrown, Justin Amash, Bob Genetski, Gino Polidori, and David Agema.

    I am sure I speak for everyone here when I say we appreciate your efforts!

    Emails sent!!!

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    Thanks for letting us know about this. This is a fantastic idea. However, sadly I am not in favor of anyone carrying a firearm inside a bar. Unless of coarse it is a owner of such a establishment. Because then it is his right to protect his property and his investments. I am in favor of being able to carry our weapons anywhere we deem necessary. Its called a Concealed Weapons Permit for a reason. Why nobody knows wont hurt them.

    Thanks for the email addresses, and I have sent an email off encouraging them to support this house bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman31 View Post
    Thanks for letting us know about this. This is a fantastic idea. However, sadly I am not in favor of anyone carrying a firearm inside a bar. Unless of coarse it is a owner of such a establishment. Because then it is his right to protect his property and his investments. I am in favor of being able to carry our weapons anywhere we deem necessary. Its called a Concealed Weapons Permit for a reason. Why nobody knows wont hurt them.

    Thanks for the email addresses, and I have sent an email off encouraging them to support this house bill.
    While I am glad you support the lifting of restrictions, I wonder what specifically you feel is a problem with carry in a bar? MANY States already allow this (Nevada being one example that comes to mind), and have found it not to be problematic. We do still have the .02% BAC standard, so intoxicated persons with a firearm should be essentially a non-issue. We already can carry into restaurants that serve alcohol, and it has proven to be a non-issue (part of why this is being considered). Some of these restaurants are even rather "bar like".

    I'm all for the responsible carrying of a firearm. I'm also all for it being as restriction free as possible. Let the government butt in only when there is a true problem, and prosecute the offender.
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    If it does go through (hopefully) it will be interesting to see how previously "gun free" places will react (Universities in particular)

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    Quote Originally Posted by T Bone View Post
    I'm all for the responsible carrying of a firearm. I'm also all for it being as restriction free as possible. Let the government butt in only when there is a true problem, and prosecute the offender.

    I agree. Let the hammer of justice fall on those who break the law and leave everyone else alone. By and large, CPL holders are a very law abiding group.

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    Story and statement removed because it was used against me in a negative way. My statement is still true. If going to a bar its best to leave the weapons at home. I am all for being able to carry my weapon anywhere I go, but to a bar is not one of them.
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