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Restaurant guns bill headed to Kaine's desk

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#1 ·
Restaurant guns bill headed to Kaine's desk

03:36 PM EST on Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Associated Press

RICHMOND (AP) -- A bill to allow those with concealed-carry permits to take hidden guns into restaurants as long as they don't drink is on its way to the governor, who has rejected it before.

The Senate voted 24-14 Wednesday to send Sen. Emmett Hanger's bill to Gov. Timothy M. Kaine, who vetoed it last year. The vote was three shy of the two-thirds majority needed to override a veto.

The House took out a requirement that the person inform someone at the restaurant that he was carrying a concealed weapon. The Senate agreed to that change.

Currently, guns can be taken into restaurants as long as they are out in the open.
 
#3 ·
None issue, you saw it was removed from the bill right?

There was a long thread on this but I can't find it now. Is it expected to be signed or vetoed again?
 
#4 ·
I would guess the Governor will veto it again. He has made his views on guns quite clear on many occasions. That being said I did e-mail him, urging him to sign it.

I am writing to urge you to sign SB1035 (removal of conceal carry ban in restaurants) bill into law. As someone who is licensed to carry a concealed handgun in Virginia, I have undergone firearms safety training, and passed a rigorous criminal background check. Like thousands of other law abiding citizens of Virginia, we have proven ourselves to be trustworthy. Last year when you vetoed the bill you stated you vetoed it because "guns and alcohol don't go together". The bill specifically prohibits anyone from carrying into a restaurant and drinking alcoholic beverages.
Again I urge you to allow respect the wishes of the people and sign this bill into law.
Thank you for your time.
 
#5 ·
Here's mine.........

Sir,
Please sign the legislation recently passed to allow honest, law-abiding citizens the right to protect themselves in a restaurant environment. If the courts have decided that we permit holders are upstanding and capable to intrust concealed carry to us in the first place, what difference does the venue make?
Do the right thing. Trust you courts and citizenry.
Sincerely,
 
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No, I'm not forgetting he passed that, after vetoing the restaurant ban last year. I just hope he doesn't remember me calling him a hypocrite in the e-mail I sent him about that! :rolleyes:
 
#13 ·
Governor? Governor??

Oh! You mean the full time DNC Chairman (hand picked by Obama) / part time Governor of Virginia. :hand5:
 
#15 ·
That's my take.

There is no general law on guns in an ABC licensed establishment.

The only restriction is on CC -- which this bill (assuming DNC Chairman's veto can be overridden this time) the will relax somewhat.
 
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The silliness of this whole thing is the fact that I can OC and drink and have no worries, yet cannot CC. If I CCed I would have no problem not drinking. I do not condone OC (we cannot discuss it here) so suffice it to say that I would rather not. However I have started to OC in every restaurant I go to now and I always order a drink as a toast to our wonderful Governor Kaine.
 
#18 ·
More bills.

More bills --

VA-ALERT:
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Here is where we stand on the last day of the regular legislative
session.

These bills that have passed the House and Senate and are on their way
to Governor Kaine's desk for signing, veto, or not signing (becomes
law without signing):

SB 1035 - Senator Hanger - restaurant ban repeal without any need to
notify an ABC manager. CHP holder cannot drink if carrying concealed.

HB 1655 - Delegate Carrico - Puts teeth in preemption. This bill was
weakened to allow a judge discretion as whether to require a locality
pay legal fees if they lose in court over a preemption issue. It is
still a step forward, as currently there is no hope of getting such
fees.

SB 1513 - Senator Smith - Puts teeth in preemption. This bill was
weakened to allow a judge discretion as whether to require a locality
pay legal fees if they lose in court over a preemption issue. It is
still a step forward, as currently there is no hope of getting such
fees.

HB 1851 - Delegate Lingamfelter - exempts active duty military from
One Handgun a Month.

SB 1383 - Senator Stolle - repeals state penalty for possession of an
unregistered silencer (federal law will still apply).

HB 2528 - Delegate Cole - requires localities that do "gun buy ups" to
have an ordinance to that effect and to sell the guns at public
auction to an FFL. The auction must be advertised, too. The final
version was weakened by Senator Stolle to allow a locality to destroy
the guns without an auction at all. However, it is still a step
forward in that it requires a locality to jump through some hoops to
do a buy-up and gives gun owners a chance to fight such a move by the
locality.

HB 2144 - Delegate Nutter - blocks the state police from giving out
CHP holder information, but does NOT block courts from doing the
same. We NEED to close off both sources and this bill is only a half-
way measure. ACTION ITEM: If anybody's local paper prints the names
and other information of CHP holders, let me know and I will make sure
the House and Senate hear about it until they understand that there is
a problem. If the press stops printing the names on their own (and
the media lobbyist swore to me that the Frredericksburg Freelance-Star
was not going to do that anymore), then so be it.

HB 2178 - Delegate E.T. Scott - prohibits convicted felons from
possessing ammunition, making such possession a felony. It is a bad
law as there is no intent to commit a crime required and it duplicates
federal law. Apparently one police officer complained that he would
have liked the powers given in this bill one time and Virginia rushes
off to create yet another law that we don't need.

SB 877 - Senator Martin - allows **retired** law enforcement officers
to carry concealed in a restaurant that serves alcoholic beverages and
even drink if they wish. It will be real interesting to see what the
Governor does with this bill for ex-government-employees vis-a-vis
Senator Hanger's restaurant ban repeal for the rest of us.

--

I will be putting together a campaign to contact the Governor on both
the restaurant ban repeals (one for retired police and one for the
rest of us) and will advise shortly.


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