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    Democrats Leak Gun-Ban List (Merged)

    Obama's Gun Ban List Is Out

    Obama's Gun Ban List Is Out
    Alan Korwin - Author Gun Laws Of America
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    3-12-9

    Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.

    Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.

    Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady's plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady's current plans and targets of opportunity. It's horrific. They're going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They've made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states' rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):

    Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
    M1 Carbine,
    Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
    AR-15,
    Bushmaster XM15,
    Armalite M15,
    AR-10,
    Thompson 1927,
    Thompson M1;
    AK,
    AKM,
    AKS,
    AK-47,
    AK-74,
    ARM,
    MAK90,
    NHM 90,
    NHM 91,
    SA 85,
    SA 93,
    VEPR;
    Olympic Arms PCR;
    AR70,
    Calico Liberty ,
    Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU,
    Fabrique National FN/FAL,
    FN/LAR, or FNC,
    Hi-Point20Carbine,
    HK-91,
    HK-93,
    HK-94,
    HK-PSG-1,
    Thompson 1927 Commando,
    Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
    Saiga,
    SAR-8,
    SAR-4800,
    SKS with detachable magazine,
    SLG 95,
    SLR 95 or 96,
    Steyr AU,
    Tavor,
    Uzi,
    Galil and Uzi Sporter,
    Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
    Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
    Calico M-110,
    MAC-10,
    MAC-11, or MPA3,
    Olympic Arms OA,
    TEC-9,
    TEC-DC9,
    TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
    Uzi.
    Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
    Armscor 30 BG,
    SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
    Striker 12,
    Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
    A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
    (i) a folding or telescoping stock,
    (ii) a threaded barrel,
    (iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see
    below),
    (iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
    Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
    10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
    A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a
    detachable magazine, and has:
    (i) a second pistol grip,
    (ii) a threaded barrel,
    (iii) a barrel shroud or
    (iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
    (v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10
    rounds.
    A semiautomatic shotgun with:
    (i) a folding or telescoping stock,
    (ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
    (iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity
    of more than 5 rounds, and
    (iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
    Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.

    Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any "semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General."


    Note that Obama's pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, "there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event." In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.


    The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn't have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose -- is that devious or what? And of course, "sporting purpose" is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.

    Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America Gun Laws of America

    Forward or send to every gun owner you know...
    Watch This, If You Want More Proof:
    YouTube - CNN- Obama To BAN Guns SPREAD THIS FOLKS, PLZ!
    YouTube - CNN- Obama To BAN Guns SPREAD THIS FOLKS, PLZ!

    A partial list of gun rights groups:

    Gun Owners of America
    Gun Owners of America

    Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
    Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership - Homepage

    FREEDOM=GUNS
    FREEDOM=GUNS

    National Rifle Association
    National Rifle Association - NRA Website Gateway

    Second Amendment Committee
    Second Amendment Committee :: Welcome

    Second Amendment Foundation
    Second Amendment Foundation Online

    Second Amendment Sisters
    Second Amendment Sisters, Inc.

    Women Against Gun Control
    Women Against Gun Control is a free to join group that supports the 2nd Amendment and a woman's right to protect herself.

    *************

    As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama deliberately and repeatedly lied to America's 90 million gun owners across the country when he insisted that he would not try to take away anyone's firearms.

    Obama's Attorney General Eric Holder said Obama "knew he was lying to the nation because his own website touted his plan to revive the gun ban and make it permanent..." "The president will seek to reinstate the ban on semi-automatic firearms..."
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    Who was it who stated that laws that are unconstitutional do not apply to the people and need not be obeyed?
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    How is this a leak of any sort? It's just a regurgitation of the bill that was introduced as HR 1022 in the previous congress.

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    Leak?

    I see fearmongering and a copy of the list from the dead HR1022. I'd check sources before "spreading the word".


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    Regardless of the semantics of whether this was leaked or not leaked... whether it's just a "regurgitation" of the "dead" HR1022

    The facts are:
    1) Eric Holder is a dangerous man to have as Attorney General for firearm owners.
    2) Obama is very much Anti-gun, Anti-2A whether you choose to believe it or not. Eric Holder is correct in that Obama's campaign website did lay out his Anti-gun feelings.
    3) We currently have a far left leaning congress in both the House and the Senate who is very capable of passing whatever they wish.

    The reality is, we are going to spend billions of dollars to try and stave off any passage of these types of bans and restrictions, but they may still be able to do a lot of damage!

    I don't think we are just being paranoid.

    I do think some may be delusional to think that Obama and Congress will not try to restrict and ban in any way, or as much as possible.

    I'm not going off the deep end over this... but I am extremely concerned about what is being done quietly and behind the scenes by the administration.

    I am also very hard pressed to figure out exactly what I am going to do when we do start hearing that the Attorney General does in fact take the first step by requiring gun owners to start registering certain weapons they own.

    It is very easy to sit back and tout, I'm not doing this or I'm not doing that... But then what do you do when word gets out that BATF is starting to make "home visits?"

    We are living in perilous times, and the pot is simmering with the lid on... and they are slowly turning up the heat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    3) We currently have a far left leaning congress in both the House and the Senate who is very capable of passing whatever they wish.
    I agree with you on most of the other points, but this one just doesn't fly. The Democratic congressional leadership is definitely pretty left leaning. Congress, on the other hand, hasn't moved very far to the left at all. It's certainly much more conservative now than it was before the 1994 election. Most of the big movement towards the Democrats came it two areas: the replacement of RINOs with liberal Democrats, and the replacement of conservative Republicans with blue dog Democrats.

    Frankly, after seeing Reid and Pelosi's reaction to Holder's AWB trial balloon a few weeks ago, and the relative lack of reaction to the Alabama shooting this week, I'm actually pretty hopeful we won't see a big push for any new gun control measures for at least the next two years. The Democratic leaders may be inclined towards a new AWB and other gun control legislation, but they have long memories, and the '94 elections loom large.

    I am much more worried about executive branch actions (import restrictions, changes in policy at DoJ and the BATFE, etc.) and judicial appointments than I am about any new laws making it through congress. I'm worried that we are so worried about the AWB coming back from the dead that we may not be paying enough attention to these sorts of things.

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    Blackeagle Point well taken. I do stand corrected towards what I had made in Point #3. I think you are correct on that.

    I also agree with your observations and concerns coming from actions from the executive branch.

    And I am very much hoping that we as pro-2A and I'm assuming we as "conservatives" gain some more seats in the House and Senate in the 2010 election cycle. Personally I don't care which party (Dem or Rep) the pro-2A conservatives belong to. As long as they are pro-2A with basic conservative principles.
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    And lets not forget that shootings are getting a butt load of press these days. Does anybody really think there are more shootings happening, or do you realize the national media is just covering more.

    It's just like abductions, statistically there was not more happening a few years ago, it was just that the national media covered more making people think more were happening.
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    To me, it seems that a Congress who can spend $800 billion in one shot, without READING THE BILL, is capable of enacting a wide variety of restrictive gun laws. Money is strength; and I haven't yet heard that even a fraction of those billions will be going to any gun rights organizations.

    We have two years before the next Congressional election if I'm not mistaken. That's plenty of time to put something together and hand it off to a President who still has two years left on his own ticket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackeagle View Post
    How is this a leak of any sort? It's just a regurgitation of the bill that was introduced as HR 1022 in the previous congress.
    As the article states:

    they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady's plan to introduce shortly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackeagle View Post
    How is this a leak of any sort? It's just a regurgitation of the bill that was introduced as HR 1022 in the previous congress.
    As the article states:
    they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady's plan to introduce shortly.
    So why did you call this a 'leak' in the thread title? It's nothing of the sort.

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    Ok, so where was it leaked from or who was it intended to be sent to?

    All the details of the "leak" seem to be very vague, or missing completely. It appears to be another means for Mr. Korwin to promote his stuff IMO.
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    I just don't understand what the big deal about whether it was a "leak" or not a leak of information or plans or whatever.

    Who cares?

    My point is what is everyone going to do if one day in the next year, we turn on TV and Eric Holder and the director of BATF is standing in front of the cameras on CNN, FNC and every other channel and telling us that in the name of "the children"... and to curb violence in Mexico and whatever, that we have 90 days to register every firearm we own with a detachable magazine. Long arms and handguns.

    People pay a lot of lip service these days... But who's going to be the first to thumb their nose at them when they start doing home checks?

    The point I'm saying is that unless people rise up in mass and say NO, the individuals who do stand up are going to be quashed and jailed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bark'n View Post
    I just don't understand what the big deal about whether it was a "leak" or not a leak of information or plans or whatever.

    Who cares?
    I care, because the fearmongering is getting to the point of crying wolf one too many times. We need to be ready to confront actual threats to our gun rights, not hyping up a regurgitation of an old, failed bill by calling it a 'leak'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackeagle View Post
    I care, because the fearmongering is getting to the point of crying wolf one too many times. We need to be ready to confront actual threats to our gun rights, not hyping up a regurgitation of an old, failed bill by calling it a 'leak'.



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