BG With Guns (Controversial Questions/Opinions)

BG With Guns (Controversial Questions/Opinions)

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    BG With Guns (Controversial Questions/Opinions)

    If the BG couldn’t, as a rule obtain guns, a lot of the anti gun rhetoric would go away. Not all, of course, for sheep are sheep and some things never change.

    The question starts with, “Why are there so many easily to obtain guns available to the bad guys?” Where are they coming from? How are they distributed? What can or should be done to stop it?

    Lets start with the last question first. The antes, (sheep people, liberals, what ever you choose to call them), would have you believe that banning all guns will solve the problem. Sounds simple enough to a simple mind but there is a couple, three or more problems with it. One, there are literally millions of guns already in circulation. Two, there are plenty of countries more than willing to make and import guns to those with money much like drugs and booze in the 30s. Three, many of the guns and other “dangerous” weapons available are obviously coming from military sources. Look at the Mexican drug cartels. They aren’t getting their full auto weapons, Laws rocket launchers and grenade launchers out of private individuals closets.

    There are really only three sources for guns, legal, or illegal. Those that manufacture them, domestic & foreign. Those that transport them, and those that have them. Consisting of private owners or collectors, military, police, and retail outlets.

    This brings me to a obvious conclusion. For the most part private owners & collectors cannot be the primary source of illegal weapons. Break into any house and you’ll come up with what? 2, 3? Maybe on a good day 12 useable weapons. No, the vast majority of guns in the hands of the BG are coming from the other sources. As such we need to support reasonable methods of securing these weapons to “reduce” their availability on the streets to the BG.

    As I’ve already mentioned banning is not the answer. It just will not work. Forget the obvious conflict with laws and the constitution. It just will keep the good guys from having guns for both sport and protection. Improved weapon security at all levels will be at a cost, a cost paid by us all. Maybe a cost that is in the long run worth the price. I am speaking of a cost in money, dollars, taxes, etc. not a cost in rights.

    Even this will not totally resolve the issue though. Even in the 30s the alcoholics found their booze. Today the BG will find their guns like the drug users find their drugs. So is there an answer? Probably not. I believe we are coming to a time shortly when bad answers will be attempted and obviously fail at a cost only to the good guys. In the long run, given where our society has been heading only the education, and arming of the good guys in this expanding war will make any difference at all. BG still fear the masses of armed civilians more than all the government agencies designed to protect us. The BG will always find their guns. They will always be BG. We can only hope to drive them to what they feel is a safer place to do their thing.
    I carry to protect myself and my loved ones from the BG's. Not to solve societies problems. That said: if more carried the deterrent would only have a positive overall effect on those problems.


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    Want to cure 'some' of the problem?
    First time caught with an illegal gun...25 years in prison, no parole or early out.
    Second time caught with an illegal gun...the death penalty, performed within a week after the trial.

    Works in China!

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    So what is your "reasonable" methods,A lot of criminals target gun stores where the steal hundreds at a time
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    Reasonable is a moving target. EVERYBODY will have a different opinion on that. I do think some improvements at a cost could be made but I'm equaly certain that it wouldn't make much of a difference in the end.
    I carry to protect myself and my loved ones from the BG's. Not to solve societies problems. That said: if more carried the deterrent would only have a positive overall effect on those problems.

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    Don't forget about the thousands of weapons that go "missing" from POLICE armories and evidence rooms every year. Other than that, strawmen and just a handful of shady FFLs tend to supply the bulk. Both activities are already illegal, so the only solution is to better fund the ATF to enforce both areas.

    Nonetheless, we have to be realistic; like with any other illicit item or substance, there will always be a way to get it. After many decades, I think we've finally learned the near futility of our war on drugs. So imagine, even with much more funding, guns will still be available to the bad guys. Even in the UK, handgun crime has been going up dramatically in just the past five years - in an island nation where handguns have been completely banned for over a decade now. So ultimately, we need to just realize that and think about what we will do when faced with an armed felon - because that is the more immediate possibility, regardless of what country you live in.

    And if for whatever reason they can't, they'll just improvise. Again, the question is - what will you do?. Unfortunately, our modern way of thinking takes away options for the victim and empowers the aggressor.


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    Why are felons with multiple convictions back out on the strret so soon, ready to continue their evil? Our current 'justice' system teaches the BG that a conviction isn't a big deal.
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    A BG guy with a 12 ounch hammer walking by you on the street is more / just as dangerous as a BG with a gun.

    Part of the reason a person has a right to arm themselves is not because the BG has a gun, but because it equalises thinks a little.

    Anti-gun will never get that beccause either they don't understand real danger until they face it unarmed, or they feel they are the only ones who should be armed.
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    Yes. What's that saying? "God created man; Sam Colt made them equal" or something like that?

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    Take away guns and those bent on committing murder will find more gruesome and devastating ways to commit the act. A criminal thinks like a criminal, take away a tool and they will find another tool to complete the job.
    It is the mindset and ability of a criminal to do unspeakable acts that separate us from them. The tools of the trade do not matter...
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    Too many "anti's" live in they see as the world of what "should be" instead of the world that IS.
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    ....A lot of criminals target gun stores where the steal hundreds at a time
    While criminals do steal from gun stores, it is a popular myth that this is the source of most guns used in crime.

    frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS

    Ask a cop on the beat how criminals get guns and you're likely to hear this hard boiled response: "They steal them." But this street wisdom is wrong, according to one frustrated Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) agent who is tired of battling this popular misconception. An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said. Because when they want guns they want them immediately the wait is usually too long for a weapon to be stolen and find its way to a criminal.

    In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales....
    The problem with the common perception that stolen guns account for most gun crime lies in the fact that the FBI propagates the myth. The FBI and the BCJS don't track the source of guns used in crimes, rather, they report availability of guns to criminals. By definition, all stolen guns are available to criminals (they are, after all, in possession of a criminal since they are stolen). No effort is made to separate crimes committed with guns from those who are criminals by virtue of possessing them. In this way, we have been mislead to believe that most guns used in crimes are stolen, when the statistics actually only show us that most guns available to criminals are stolen.
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