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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Holliday View Post
    Georgia Arms is in my hometown and is literally five minutes from my house. This was TRUE! I saw it on their website with my own eyes! This was big news around here. The hometown newspaper ran an article about it today. Georgia Arms was going to have to cut almost half of it's workforce due to the brass restrictions. However people complained and the brass restrictions were lifted.

    I don't think we are bored, but President Obama, Eric Holder, and other liberal politicians must be watched with much skepticism.

    PS. My little little Po-dunk town newspaper doesn't have a website but if you would like PM me your address and I'll mail you the clipped article so that you can read it.

    Doc,

    I probably have all the information that was in your local paper. Larry at Georgia Arms sent me copies of some emails that were internal to the company and from Gov. Liquidators. Just because it is on a website or in an email does not necessarily make it so.

    I will refer you back to the post I made earlier that has copied text from the NRA website (if you want to look at a website) that basically says any change in policy or misunderstanding of demil classification stems from a decision made last year by the Sec of Defense. Any change in the past week has nothing to do with the current administration, or policies they have enacted.

    Here is the link to the NRA article for any who care to read it. http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/News....aspx?ID=12244
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    DocHolliday,
    No one is denying that the DOD at one time had a policy requiring the shell casings be mutilated. The question is who was responsible for that policy? When was the order signed and by whom?
    Do we blame Obama if the order was issued by a mid level DOD civillian employee before Obama was sworn in? Do we blame who ever was in the white house when the guy got hired?
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    Obamas secret socialist agenda...blah,blah,blah.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by farronwolf View Post
    Doc,

    I probably have all the information that was in your local paper. Larry at Georgia Arms sent me copies of some emails that were internal to the company and from Gov. Liquidators. Just because it is on a website or in an email does not necessarily make it so.

    I will refer you back to the post I made earlier that has copied text from the NRA website (if you want to look at a website) that basically says any change in policy or misunderstanding of demil classification stems from a decision made last year by the Sec of Defense. Any change in the past week has nothing to do with the current administration, or policies they have enacted.

    Here is the link to the NRA article for any who care to read it. NRA-ILA :: STATEMENT FROM NRA CHIEF LOBBYIST CHRIS W. COX Military Surplus Cartridge Case Issue Resolved
    Man, you talked to Larry Haynie yourself. And I thought that I had one uped you because I lived here and thought I was "in the know."

    I guess it caused the knee-jerk reaction this week because this was the first time that many of us had ever heard about it.
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    Here, this link is useful,not just for newspaper articles. These days the "news" is 95 % opinion disguised as news.

    ttp://www.wikihow.com/Recognize-Bias-in-a-Newspaper-Article

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    Miggy, there are a whole bunch of things I am in favor of and support but that doesn't mean they are going to happen. Other than a policy statement and the news articles, none of which (at least that I have seen) identified the originating authority on the brass snafu, do you have evidence of what BHO has actually done?
    Can anyone cite any executive order, memo, video clip, showing that he has actually done anything?
    Wait a minute.... you mean you will wait till SHTF gun-wise before taking action? Is there any doubt in your mind that this administration is Anti Second Amendment?
    I rather be a bit proactive and kill the harpies before they hatch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy View Post
    Wait a minute.... you mean you will wait till SHTF gun-wise before taking action? Is there any doubt in your mind that this administration is Anti Second Amendment?
    I rather be a bit proactive and kill the harpies before they hatch.
    That's why I believe we, as lawful gun owners need to be loud and heard often, which I am trying to do.

    I think that any "rumor" we hear needs to be addressed promptly. If we wait until it's policy, it will be too late. I do think the Obamessiah picked his cohorts with the intention, not of being middle of the road, but hard left. Look at his past voting record for confirmation.

    I can only hope, pray and work to see that I use all legal means at my disposal to foil any and every attempt he wants to make "change". Do I think obama is evil? You bet your behind I do. The look in his eye when he said, "Change is coming;" during his victory speech sent a chill down my spine that is usually reserved for people that are sociopathic.

    I cannot convey the depth of my fear of this man, the current president, to you enough. I have seen, and dealt with criminals of every stripe. Only one has effected me as much as our current president. Actually this one effects me less and truth be told, I would've been willing to sit down and have a beer with this man when he was alive, but not our current president.

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    Another Ammo Article

    It's warming up now, and unless we act it will be boiling before we know it. RETSUPT99, I like the analogy of the frogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farronwolf View Post
    I guess your able to give us some links to what the current administration has done in the way of erroding our 2A rights.
    It has only been a month, more or less. One cannot expect rafts of "proof" in the form of laws, orders or other side-stepping of congressional law to exist after such a short period of time.

    I'm a patient person. It's surely coming, simply based on the prior track record and stated opinions of many who are on board, which is all in the public record. There is your proof of intent, at the very least. That, alone, should be enough for circumspection.

    IMO, the 2A and all things related to firearms are under attack, and continued attacks will tend to be warmly received. That's what the furor is all about. It's about preparation for the fight that's coming, incrementally though it will likely be. It IS about keeping our wits about us, about keeping on our toes and ensuring we nip in the bud the growing cancerous polyps as they arise. It is NOT about being fearful of "crying wolf" or donning "tin hats."
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    I am note saying ignore them, just saying that they have yet to actually do anything. For an AWB to be passed it has to pass both houses of congress and then BHO gets to sign it. Now with that letter from sixty some Democrats in the house to Holder saying they would oppose any such legislation, how likely do you think it is that we will see an AWB in the near future? Right now they are making it known ( Don't forget even Pelosi made a public statement saying it is not going to happen this session) that Holder and friends are going to have learn to live with their disappointment.

    CCW9MM, it has actually been two months since BHO took office. I for one am not asking for "rafts of proof". I am just asking for any proof.
    Other than the policy statement which is basically a wish list, can anyone show any action that has been intiated by this administration that infringes on our rights?

    ETA: One of the things I love about the articles on WorldNetDaily is that they don't seem to be researched very well. They are amusing but look at them with a critical eye. Does the one Plop linked ever mention the actual origin of the policy change? All I see is them quoting some guy on a blog as saying where he suspected it came from. In real journalism I believe they would have included a paragraph stating when the policy went into effect and under whose order.
    In one of their others where talked about the agreement allowing us to be policed by the Canadian Military they linked to some blog in the article but not to the DOD news release they were talking about. So I actually read the agreements they refer to that supposedly allow this to happen. And I found this....
    http://www.northcom.mil/News/2008/CA...20May%2008.pdf
    on page 2
    (3) Support for law enforcement operations is not covered in this plan and will be included in the Canada- United States Combined Defense Plan (CDP).
    Then another thread had a link to an article on WND that referenced the "Vision 2020 plan. So I figured this was the document that held the key to the evil plan to subjugate us. Of course the article didn't link directly to it, that would be too easy. So I looked it up and what did I find? This!
    http://www.norad.mil/News/2007/Visio...2007-10-01.pdf
    On page four......
    Our most solemn obligation is to defend our homelands. NORAD and USNORTHCOM are committed to being leaders in continental and homeland defense for the United States and Canada, within the laws and policies set forth by both nations.
    If that isn't incriminating enough, I found this in the next paragraph....
    We will respond not a minute too soon, or stay a second too long.
    and the final nail in the coffin......
    On page five.
    Respect and Culture: We will continue to respect the laws, sovereignty and values of all our partners and acknowledge the cultural sensitivities attendant to collective efforts.
    Why would World Net Daily not have quoted this? Or at least provided direct links so anyone could easily access it? It isn't that hard to do. There must be a reason.
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    [QUOTE=mcp1810;1073854] ( Don't forget even Pelosi made a public statement saying it is not going to happen this session) /QUOTE]


    I saw Pelosi on 60 Minutes a while back stating that she would like to take every gun from us, "but the time is not right."

    I do not trust Pelosi any further than I can throw her. Pay attention to her words. She will come for your guns when she thinks she can sucessfully accomplish that goal.

    "it is not going to happen THIS session."

    It is going to happen. These are just skirmishes. I am trying to prepare for the upcoming battle by tiring the enemy before the big battle. They are "poking and prodding" right now, and I'm prodding back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Holliday View Post
    Man, you talked to Larry Haynie yourself. And I thought that I had one uped you because I lived here and thought I was "in the know."

    I guess it caused the knee-jerk reaction this week because this was the first time that many of us had ever heard about it.
    No, I didn't talk with Larry. I sent the company an email requesting information about the red default page that they had placed on their website. At the time I sent the email I had found nothing concrete about any change in DoD policy. He then sent me some links to some auctions that said the brass had to be mutilated along with some emails from Gov Liq, and some internal Georgia Arms emails.

    We then trade some back and forth which I sent links to Gov Liq auctions that clearly stated that the brass did not require mutilation, along with a copy of the gov. demil codes, which remained as they have been for years. He replied later to that email, and during this time I guess Gov Liq and whomever got things sorted out about what really was a miscommunication IMO regarding brass, because the green default page then appeared on the Georgia Arms website.

    The point being is that some auctions were worded one way while other auctions clearly stated that no mutilation was required. Any change in the policy took place in 2008, but honestly I believe there wasn't a real change, simply a misundertanding of some DoD personel that eventually resulted in a weeks worth of panic.
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    OK, has it gotten "hot" enough for you all yet?

    Go read the new Omnibus Land Bill of 2009 that's in Congress. America is a bunch of fools.

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    Biker, are you talking about the one that was voted down in the house? That thing is huge! Can you tell us the particular part(s) of it that we should be worried about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Rogers View Post

    The 65 (d) congress critters who wrote the letter stating they will opose a new AWB only did so because they savy that is what will get them re-elected. If passing the 1994 AWB would have won the dems more seats insted of getting most of them ousted we would see these 64 seeking an new AWB.

    The DoD policy of shredding brass actualy was implimented, for a couple of days. Long enough for gun owners to start calling capital hill. It was by no streach of the imagination just a wild rummor.-Jay
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    AND it is list like this, alerts from RKBA groups, etc that create the pressure on our elected representatives.

    A State Legislator told a group of us that at one time 5-10 letters from constituents got his attention. Now with the internet and email, it takes a couple of hundred.

    We need to keep alert, keep on top of things, keep up the pressure.

    BTW -- A couple State Legislator have also told me that they pay attention to contacts in that order:
    1) personal visits to Richmond;
    2) attendance at their town-hall meetings/rallies/etc. ;
    3) Snail mail letters;
    4) phone calls;
    5) original emails;
    6) form emails.

    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    We're not bored...it's just that the pot of water is slowly heating...

    Have you not heard of the frog in a pot of water?
    Put it in boiling water and it jumps out. Make abrupt gun law changes and we all go nuts.

    Put the frog in a pot of water and 'slowly' heat it up...he stays and cooks. The laws will change slowly...
    We'll be cooking before we all know it.
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