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    From the end of the article:
    A group representing park rangers, retirees and conservation organizations protested the Bush rule change, complaining that it could lead to confusion and increased danger for visitors, rangers and other law enforcement agencies.
    WAIT, WAIT, WAIT...WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!! I thought that ignorance of the law was not an excuse in court...and that mentality was a two way street...both of civilians and law enforcement (in this case, park rangers).

    WOW!!! Way to go folks!


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    Another case of one judge overriding the will of the people. They do it with guns, abortion, gay marriage, etc. I believe in checks and balances, but the judicial branch is OUT OF CONTROL and has been for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    I don't like the ruling either. However to blame the court ruling on Obama is ridiculous. The law suits were filed before he took office by the Brady bunch and others. If McCain had won the election and the judge ruled against it would you be blaming McCain? Blame the man for what he does, not for everything that happens. BTW, I did not vote for him and I don't agree with his views, but we have to be realistic, he didn't file the suit.
    true, everything you said here is true

    ...BUT....

    she is a federal judge......I'd bet my next months wages that somebody from the administration/DOJ/somebody had some contact with her (outside the courtroom) concerning this case
    ......perhaps she's getting primed for an appointment to the next higher court......

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    I believe it but want to say "unbelieveable"

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    Quote Originally Posted by be44321 View Post
    Another case of one judge overriding the will of the people. They do it with guns, abortion, gay marriage, etc. I believe in checks and balances, but the judicial branch is OUT OF CONTROL and has been for years.
    Exactly correct. I am still amazed that so many think the Judicial branch of government trumps the other two. That is nonsense. The Judicial branch was designed to be the weakest branch of government, as it should be.

    It is interesting that many who espouse your view have no problem with judicial activism, thwarting the will of the public, when it comes to state gun control. Then, we hear support of court cases and hope against hope in an effort to overturn the will of the people. Double standard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by f8lranger4x4 View Post
    So if I read this right we can no longer carry in National parks. What happened to the NRA
    Which national gun organization do you belong to and how come they haven't overturn this decision already? I expect a solution from them before midnight. Thank you.

    On other things. yes, this has to be fought, the text of the decision read and lawyers have to prepare the appeal. But we knew we are under a time of dire challenges.
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    Damm, here we go, it's started
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    --does this apply only to her federal court district?

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    National "Forest"

    But you can still carry concealed in a National "Forest" correct... just not in a National "Park".

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    Good thing they repelled this law. Just look at all the gun play in all the parks, that has occurred in the last 60 days

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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    I don't like the ruling either. However to blame the court ruling on Obama is ridiculous. The law suits were filed before he took office by the Brady bunch and others. If McCain had won the election and the judge ruled against it would you be blaming McCain? Blame the man for what he does, not for everything that happens. BTW, I did not vote for him and I don't agree with his views, but we have to be realistic, he didn't file the suit.
    Agreed.

    Anyone wonder, why if Bush wanted to see this through he didn't do this long before the door slammed against his back on his way out?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    I am still amazed that so many think the Judicial branch of government trumps the other two. That is nonsense. The Judicial branch was designed to be the weakest branch of government, as it should be.
    I was taught it was supposed to be three equal branches of government. Of course, just because it's taught in school doesn't make it right.
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    The whining about a grand Obama conspiracy is just loony, and shows a decided lack in critical thinking skills.

    Having said that, this may be a mixed blessing. I need to find an attorney. It is possible that as those with permits we are "interested parties" and could each, individually, file friend of the court briefs. If I can confirm this, I will do a template of said brief and we can all take part in this court proceeding. Won't that be fun?

    Now, as for the mixed blessing aspect... It is my opinion that in this environment, gun related court cases that make it to the SCOTUS are a good thing. The NRA might disagree. I would like to see this one move up and be decided in terms of whether or not the previous rule was even constitutional, which I believe it is not.

    Unfortunately, that might not be possible here. What's likely to be decided here is whether or not they broke the law in implementation. It's my understand that the only claim for this is on the grounds of Environmental Impact Statements -- which were not done.

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    I think you would lose your bet

    Quote Originally Posted by 64zebra View Post

    she is a federal judge......I'd bet my next months wages that somebody from the administration/DOJ/somebody had some contact with her (outside the courtroom) concerning this case
    While that level of corruption certainly happens from time to time, it is very unfair to propose that this is what occurred in this case.

    Judges are not supposed to, and most take these prohibitions quite seriously because violating them can lead to impeachment and disbarment, confer with litigants outside the courtroom.

    Maybe in Small Town somewhere over a divorce case. I just doubt it would happen in a Federal Court over litigation such as this.

    Let's just not assume that the whole world is corrupt just because we don't like what someone decided.

    We haven't even seen the text of the decision and don't know the reasoning. Heck, it might even be legally sound.

    (I don't like the practical effect of the decision. I favor cc in the national parks, but that doesn't make the Bush administration's regulatory change legal. Heck, it might have been invalid on the most minor of procedural errors. We don't know yet. We need to see the actual opinion.)

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